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    In the main Lewena thread, Brodder suggested that we're getting WAY off base and reading too much into his text. In addition, there has been tons of commentary and experimentation that makes it hard to find relevant info. In this post, I'll attempt to collate and organize the most important info. I'm leaving out most of the speculation and all of the attempted ingredients and combines in the hopes that a fresh look, without the prejudice induced by past attempts, may give us a better perspective on this puzzle.

    Yes, this is a monster post. Consider yourself warned.

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    Background:

    The Quest: In Grimthor's, an upstairs bar in Shadow Haven, you'll find a wood elf girl named Lewena. When hailing her, she says she'll tell you a secret if you buy her her favorite drink. If you ask what the secret is, she basically says, never mind that, just get my drink. (I'll try and find the actual quest text later.)

    The Clue-Giver: Brodder FoamyMugs, author of the Brewing Diaries, is one of the people who created the bulk of the alcoholic (and some non-alcoholic) brewing recipes in the game. (Note that he was a player who had a good relationship with the developers; to the best of our knowledge, he doesn't and didn't work for Verant or Sony.) He wrote his recipe ideas just before and during the release of Kunark; those recipes that made it into the game went live just before Velious was released. According to him, his original suggestions were modified by then-Verant to fit the game. Some of his recipes went live, some didn't. Many of his recipes were published in game as Pages from Brodder's Diaries, but oddly, page two was never published in game. In addition, it has been confirmed that some of Brodder's recipes (such as the Frothy Frostbite) are live in the game even though they aren't referenced by any in-game books or text -- at least, not directly.

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    Brodder's Hints
    (in chronological order)

    From May 8, 2003:
    Originally posted by Brodder FoamyMugs
    *looks about the room and whistles innocently, as he moves towards an exit and is stopped by a Halfling wielding scissors and a knitting needle*

    Ohh hey! Watch the beard by Brell!!

    Now I wouldn't know anything about new ales would I?

    Nope, if it was new I'd have tried it yep yep...

    Oh Look Sticky Rolls !!

    *points at a high shelf near the bar, and as the halfling races to climb up and check the shelf just to be sure, the dwarf sneaks out whistling and patting his supply bag*

    Dem tinkers sure make good ale carriers dey doo...
    June 23, 2003:
    Originally posted by Brodder FoamyMugs
    *peeks into the Brewery, and tucks his beard into his shirt*

    Not gonna get des trimmed nope nope...

    *Scratches out a note and drops it onto a table full of passed out snoring clerics and brewers, helps himself to a bowl of pretzels and then sneaks below into the basement's secret room*

    ~~scrawled on the note is this message~~

    Dah recipe is der for ye...
    A New ale ye see...
    For if not found by you...
    A New ale would be the clue..

    Missing it may be, but der it is...
    I'm sure it nuttin wif a fizz...
    In name it was...Cold n Blue...
    Gnomish antifreeze it could be too

    Spiced ale never seen?
    Brodder's Revenge?
    Test of Hate-elven delight?
    Quested too hard they say...
    Many groaned in dismay.

    Perhaps a mug on a shelf a clue?
    Near the lass it may be.
    Catnip tea and ale?
    Ah'd shiver hard let me tell you.

    Sumtin to warm the soul
    maybe...
    The clue in a name could be...
    The search maddens them all...
    But it's not far from that hall...

    My bags are full, and halflings distracted...
    Jumjum I'd never consume
    Nor the juice of a legume...
    But with vodka, and egg and spices concoted...
    YOur revenge might be cured after all...

    I'll be watching and smiling,
    ever perservere.
    If ye hear a belch from below...
    twas dah wind...
    pardon me if that came after...

    ;p



    Brodder...

    <b>edit by Mum: removed the reference to emailing Dan, and his email addy - he's over with EQOA now, and this isn't his baby... Will ping the Devs to look at this thread.</b>

    She may have a prize mug to give out too as a prize.
    If it's got a dent in the shape of a Goblin King imprinted on it...it's my MUG give it BACK!!

    July 2, 2003 (shortly after the Frothy Frostbite recipe was confirmed)
    Originally posted by Brodder FoamyMugs
    Congrats on confirming the Frothy Frostbite...gnomes everywhere that it's cold are rejoicing.

    What I write here is from my notes, my memory, and conversations I had with Dan Enright/Yakatizma.

    I'll leave it to your enterprising selves to discover what else is missing.
    But, working or not, I cannot come right out and say what's what and give out direct answers on many of these things.(by Request of the folks at SOE).
    What worked once , may get broken on a whim or an accident.
    But I hope in the posts I have sent in so far have provided enough clues.
    And yes I do RP heavily...that may cause some confusion, but hey! Isn't this fun?

    If Book II of the Brodder's Diaries were to surface, and the following volumes (SOE has them somewhere), more recipes would come to light that haven't been found yet.

    THOUGH I heavily doubt they went in due to time constraints or got lost.

    But some of SoL's quests are pretty much echos of all the ones I wrote up on request after SoV/RoK. And many I hardly recognize. Most were supposed to be GM events...but became hard coded in a form or another.

    -------- back to character-----

    IN his Iksar skinned over stuffed couch
    The Brewer relaxes, no other no matter how skilled bears that title.
    His hands itch for the familiar heft and weight of the old mithril battle mug, taken from him so long ago when dwarven ale was once again returned to Kaladim, and Tumpy fined for his actions.
    The diaries continue to sell well, and still the gnomes refuse to reprint them in any language but the gnomish they used to improve on his original works.
    Dozens and dozens of brewers curse and scream, shout for joy, and drink to oblivion in the worlds about him.
    All is right, and yet something is missing.
    His hands twitch again, and he absently rubs his nose then snaps his fingers, and reaches for a bowl of pretzels....
    The serving wench brings him a tankard flowing over with foam, which soon coats the dwarfs whiskers to either side of his mouth.
    With a content sigh, he settles back and watches all the young scions of the art of brewing get to work on one more mystery...

    In his mind he begins to juggle words and prose, though no bard he is, to offer the others a clue to their dilema...but how so can it be, when it is so obsvious, well to a dwarf anyways...some folks never look down except at the others.

    Brodder looks around his overstuffed chair and places his boots on the small table before him, dozens of empty bottles about him, would easily determine what it is he drank in the last couple of hours...was it a couple?
    Maybe a day... the piles of debris are quite large indeed.

    Munching a pretzel between swigs of the imported double brew double stout, he recounts all he's tasted, and enjoyed, and begins to wonder, what makes a person enjoy an ale to call it their favorite?

    Time passes, and soon the dwarf is snoring again, dreaming of new brews, of places to go and to test what's brewed there...his dreams are but shadows of what's passed and what's to come...
    Originally posted by Brodder FoamyMugs
    Just realized something- donnae read to deep into this-- take fer humor alone...

    I remember an IRC chat with a dev pre- moon launch, we were talking about "filling" aka content and stuff that might secretly make it into the next expansion pack...
    HE called me the Secret agent of brewing, the maker of the infamous Faydwer shaker...

    I then replied- "secret agent ehh? So if I secretly invent a new version of that faydwer shaker it'd be the Moon Shaker version?"

    (for the slow... secret agent 007, Moonraker...take it from there)

    Just a lil humor at 7 am after another all nighter... of what? HAR a dwarf ne'er tells, cept over a few kegs...

    On July 10, I posted a number of guesses and assumptions. Shortly thereafter, Brodder replied, commenting on each of my statements. Here is the text of my post and his replies (in bold).

    Originally posted by Brodder FoamyMugs
    Assumptions: ye know whut dey say bout sumptions doncha?

    Assumption 1: The recipe for Brodder's Revenge is live and in game. The fact that the drink exists (even if only in the emulator) is evidence to support the existence of a recipe -- though it's hardly conclusive.
    Yep dat'd be a good assumption.

    Assumption 2: The only relevant anagrams found so far are "new ale" for Lewena and "Dain ale" for Barmaid Adelina (or whatever her name is). All the other anagrams were too far-fetched or incorrectly spelled.
    no comment here

    Assumption 3: Brodder's Diaries were introduced in-game during the Velious era. I don't know the exact release date, so this may well be wrong. written during ROK (pre actually), added with tradeskill enhancement just prior to velious.

    Assumption 4: Assuming that all the recipes in the Diaries are correct, the implication is that they only use Velious-era or earlier ingredients. Thus, anything dropping exclusively from Luclin, PoP, or LoY zones is not part of the recipes. Note that this can easily be disproved if we find that Ice of Velious (used in the Frothy Frostbite) is exclusively a Luclin drop -- apparently it drops in Netherbian Lair, but I don't know if it drops in Velious zones. The name, however, suggests it should.
    go check diaries and known recipes on the board here...ye might be surprised. Also Ice of Velious was a Mage rune ingredient long before ROK/SOV. Probably still is.


    Observations:

    These are based on the assumptions above.

    Observation 1: Most of Brodder's recipes are fairly simple, and don't use really obscure components (Ice of Velious being an exception, but I believe the Frothy Frostbite is the first known drink to require ice of any sort as a component). Side observation: there is also an item called an "Iceball" in game that could conceivably be used in brewing.
    look at stormguard rootbeer float...

    Observation 2: Brodder knows the recipe works. Based on what he's said, I'm pretty sure he has tested the recipe. He just can't reveal it to us as it would break a trust with the developers.
    ding ! Okay Tom tell our player what he's won today!

    Observation 3: We don't have even a partial recipe for Brodder's Revenge, other than what Brodder himself has posted here. In his original posts, he just says his recipe may have been too risque as he envisioned it.
    not true, you've what's in the diaries, and in previous parts of this thread. Note it may be a pepper (hot), or a pepper sauce (tobasco) instead of spices since something similar came about in Luclin neh? Not saying it is, but there could be such a chance of it being true...


    Observation 4: Brodder has two purposes here. One is to help us solve Lewena's quest. The other is to discover his missing drinks! =) The two may or may not be related; the Frothy Frostbite apparently has nothing to do with the Lewena quest, other than that we found it as part of the search for the new ale.
    Maybe///

    Observation 5: Brodder's Diaries, volume two, was never published in game -- or at least, it hasn't been found. It might be interesting to see if the item even exists in game via the emulator.
    I'd be interested too...but then I know things ye don't...sorry

    Observation 6: We now have multiple clues that point at a Velious based solution. This is a Velious era recipe (even if the quest is based in Luclin). We have an anagram of "Dain ale." We have a hint that we need vodka, and there exists a drink called Kromrif spit vodka (not to mention plain old vodka).
    both hot and cold at same time...interesting ideas...might be worth exploring

    Observation 7: We can reasonably conclude, based on Lewena's name and Brodder's clues, that we're looking for a new ale.
    would I pull yer leg dat hard?

    Observation 8: We already have ales that use an ale as a component (double-stout double-brewed dwarven ale, or whatever it's called).
    ayup...dat wus me idea too

    Observation 9: There is a possible unsolved quest in Thurgadin regarding the souvenir mugs. Four of the bars in Thurg have a bartender who offers to sell you a souvenir mug if you give him cash (it's not bought in a vendor window). The fifth bar has no such mug on offer. The four known souvenir mugs have sequential item numbers (30145 to 30148). Items 30144 and 30149 are not mugs. Allakhazam's has the quest writeup and commentary here: http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=929
    interesting indeed

    Observation 10: There is, however, another item called a Nectar of Unity Mug (Item 30169) which identifies as "an almost clean mug that smells of ale" -- the exact same lore as Doogle's Signature Souvenir Mug (Item 30147). Allakhazam's had no information at all about this mug, but Magelo says it has been found in-game at least as early as Feb. 21, 2002. Googling on the name only produced the "Nectar of Unity Brewery and Tavern" in Katta Castellum, which suggests this may be completely irrelevant. However, if it is a Luclin item, that raises interesting questions about when it first appeared -- Luclin was only released in mid-2002, yet the item was live in February 2002. In addition, its item number is very close to the souvenir mugs, which suggests it's from the same era or expansion.
    Never heard of it...den again I'm in dah dark allot lately...

    Observation 11: Brodder hints that this quest will reward us with a "mug" when solved.
    maybe...dunno, who's got item dev? Ask him

    Observation 12: The only items I could find with "choice" in the name were "Dain's Choice Porter" and "Gladiator Choice Ale". The only other brews I could find with "dain" in the name are "Coldain Bone Brew", "Coldain Ice Beer", and "Flaming Coldain". None of these items has any lore text. (I checked both Magelo and Lucy for this bit.)
    might be simpler den dat matey...den again it is VI we talking bout neh?


    Conclusions and random ramblings:

    Is it possible we're to take Brodder's hints and apply them in a Velious context? There's a bar in Thurgadin that sells a Dain's Choice Ale (I think that's the name) and a Kromrif Spit Vodka. Could these be part of the solution?

    Could the "mug" that Lewena gives us be the missing souvenir mug from Thurgadin? Is it the Nectar of Unity Mug? If it is, what do we do with all five mugs? And if this is the case, why would the mug have been in-game some five months before Luclin's public release?

    Am I completely missing the mark on something here?
    _________________
    Hmm Do I have tah say more? Cause I can't... sorry .
    Originally posted by Brodder FoamyMugs
    from alakazam's too- des one guy says he got a mug in gm event ehh? Wif a lil blood on it? Wunder if it's me dented mithril mug, it wus a battle mug worthy of brell's finest brewer I tell ye!

    Velium Keg
    Posted @ Mon, Jul 15th 4:18 AM 2002
    By: Anonymous
    Score: Default [2.00] I got the Velium Keg Collector's Mug from a GM event called "Ale Across Kelethin". I won second place It identifies as a mug with a bit of blood dried on it. So, the Velium Keg mug does exist in the game. Currently I am trying for the other mugs to complete my collection, but I seriously doubt there is a quest involved.

    Ah've always wondered about dat Thurgadin quest, and many of dah jokes in Thurgadin are based on stuff meself, DanEnright, and Sam the merchant man chatted about...


    Der were two brodder enhancements to tradeskills, dah first was with the initial massive tradeskill changes, and the second, with the addition of the diaries....

    Back to the scheduled program... IN SEARCH OF...

    July 13, 2003:

    Originally posted by Brodder FoamyMugs
    Totally unrelated-- wonder if Nagefen's Fiery Red Chili is in the item list?
    I have the recipe for that from another of me diaries that wasn't published...or adapted...

    Some of you are simply looking too deep into my words.
    I'm clever, but wow...am I that clever?
    BR (Brodder's revenge) is a cure hangover in the way hair of the dog or in this case hair of the dwarf that bit you would settle your shakes and alcohol induced effects.
    It may be similar in effect as a regurgatonic (barbarian quest?) I think I suggested an alchemy ingredient...but at the time it was written (ROK era pre and during) this cross skill useage wasn't in effect or plausible.
    How the beverage and quest(S) sugested at the time evolved and were adapted by VI/SOE-EQ team? Who really knows...

    But a hungover bar dweller indeed might thank you for such a cure! Even though it might be worse that what yer suffering at the time.


    BTW I'm supprised no bloody mary's made it into the game...
    Veggie juice + Vodka + spices + ice + container--
    Me recipe earlier in the thread tisn't too far from one of des....

    Read back from the beggining....


    SUGGEST one person Collect all RELEVANT POSTS... and coallate them into a new thread.
    After 12 pages...it can get tedious to read and gets unstable for server.

    I'll be watching for now...
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    Other Brodder Comments

    Comments by Kandrak, attributed to Brodder, from another forum:

    Missing recipes?

    of the top of my head....

    Test of Hate Brewing quest for Dark Elfs/High Elf Discover the SPY Quest...A Pixie based faydwer special brew... yes that's the first of my missing Diaries.

    Brodder's Revenge- or Hair of the Dwarf that bit you. (My Emphasis)

    Red Hot Vodka- Hot spices, Vodka.

    Hot Toddy- Rum, Cider/Tea, Cinamon stick, piece of butter, icing(sweetner)

    Gnomish Pirate Grog (Catbik Tinkerton's Cureall)- recipe may have been too funny and risque for EQ...think I made the devs I sent it to spew coffee and mt dew on their computers...

    ROK recipes... Iksar Salts- blood, salt, brewing stuffs, makes a chunky, frothy salty beverage that can act like a meal for a shedding iksar- promotes good scale and teeth growth-replacement.

    Druid Vision Broth- mushrooms...plants...leaves...pixie dust...fruit juice...some mana...uhoh...maybe a quart of minobrew might have been better...

    Ogre Bean beer...explosive...and source of ogre humor...barbarians and gnomes find it funny too...well the gnomes do unless they're behind a Barb or ogre drinking this...
    Edited 2003-07-16 to remove Kandrak's repost of Brodder's original, since Brodder has copy/pasted his actual post (and more) from the Cleric posts below.

    (Kyros' notes: All the recipes on this second list (found below in Brodder's post) except Brodder's Revenge are now confirmed live in some form or another. Most were published in the Pages of Brodder's Diaries mentioned above. The "Frostbite" was recently discovered in the game as a "Frothy Frostbite", though there is no known source in the game for the recipe -- only what Brodder put in his Web postings. Brodder has confirmed that the recipe for Brodder's Revenge is live, but as yet, we have not converted his original version above to in-game ingredients. It's unknown whether Brodder's Revenge is the drink Lewena seeks, or whether it's unrelated.)

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    Bartender Text
    Posted by Mheryl Ranyhyn on the old boards
    http://pub147.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornerbrewing.showMessage?topicID=1110.t opic



    [Mon Sep 16 14:48:34 2002] You say, 'Hail, Bartender Woolf'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:48:34 2002] Bartender Woolf says 'Welcome to Grimthor's, how can I help you? We have many of the local brews and some imports in stock. Take your time making a selection. If you have any questions about any of the drinks, just let me know- I can tell you about almost all of them.'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:48:41 2002] You say, 'What haven ale'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:48:42 2002] Bartender Woolf says 'The Haven Ale is your standard ale- named after this very city. Truth is, we didn't have an ale named after this city for the longest time, so I just started calling the house ale Haven Ale.'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:48:44 2002] Bartender Woolf tells you, 'That'll be 1 gold 1 silver 5 copper per Light Haven Ale.'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:48:48 2002] You say, 'what light haven ale'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:48:49 2002] Bartender Woolf says 'The Haven Ale is your standard ale- named after this very city. Truth is, we didn't have an ale named after this city for the longest time, so I just started calling the house ale Haven Ale.'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:48:52 2002] Bartender Woolf tells you, 'That'll be 1 gold 1 silver 5 copper per Dark Haven Ale.'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:48:58 2002] You say, 'what dark haven ale'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:48:58 2002] Bartender Woolf says 'The Haven Ale is your standard ale- named after this very city. Truth is, we didn't have an ale named after this city for the longest time, so I just started calling the house ale Haven Ale.'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:49:00 2002] Bartender Woolf tells you, 'That'll be 1 gold 1 silver 5 copper per Fordel Red.'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:49:05 2002] You say, 'what fordel red'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:49:05 2002] Bartender Woolf says 'The red line of brews each have their own touch of flavor. They were brewed with the recommendations of each house considered- quite nice and one of our more popular drinks.'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:49:26 2002] Bartender Woolf tells you, 'That'll be 1 gold 1 silver 5 copper per Midst Red.'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:49:31 2002] You say, 'what midst red'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:49:31 2002] Bartender Woolf says 'The red line of brews each have their own touch of flavor. They were brewed with the recommendations of each house considered- quite nice and one of our more popular drinks.'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:49:35 2002] Bartender Woolf tells you, 'That'll be 1 gold 1 silver 5 copper per Stout Red.'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:49:40 2002] You say, 'what stout red'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:49:40 2002] Bartender Woolf says 'The red line of brews each have their own touch of flavor. They were brewed with the recommendations of each house considered- quite nice and one of our more popular drinks.'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:49:42 2002] Bartender Woolf tells you, 'That'll be 1 gold 1 silver 5 copper per Grimthor Red.'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:49:48 2002] You say, 'what grimthor red'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:49:48 2002] Bartender Woolf says 'Ah yes... our house specials, named after the master brewer, Grimthor. Each brew contains ingredients from the farthest corners of Luclin, but Grimthor won't discuss how he comes by the stuff.'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:49:55 2002] Bartender Woolf tells you, 'That'll be 1 gold 1 silver 5 copper per Grimthor Light.'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:50:02 2002] You say, 'what grimthor light'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:50:02 2002] Bartender Woolf says 'Ah yes... our house specials, named after the master brewer, Grimthor. Each brew contains ingredients from the farthest corners of Luclin, but Grimthor won't discuss how he comes by the stuff.'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:50:05 2002] Bartender Woolf tells you, 'That'll be 1 gold 1 silver 5 copper per Grimthor Lager.'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:50:17 2002] You say, 'what grimthor lager'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:50:22 2002] Bartender Woolf tells you, 'That'll be 6 silver per House Fordel Porter.'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:50:28 2002] You say, 'what grimthor lager?'
    ((Notice, no response to this one--forgetful programmer or on purpose?))
    [Mon Sep 16 14:50:38 2002] You say, 'What house fordel porter'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:50:38 2002] Bartender Woolf says 'Hmm... while the porter is popular, I don't much care for it personally. I don't know, it just tastes strange to me you know? Like how a wet Vah Shir smells.'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:50:45 2002] Bartender Woolf tells you, 'That'll be 8 silver 2 copper per Deep Cavern Bourbon.'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:50:52 2002] You say, 'what deep cavern bourbon'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:50:52 2002] Bartender Woolf says 'The Deep Cavern Bourbon is a favorite among the higher ups in the houses located here in the Haven. Most notably, the head mage guys over in the Midst, and the nobles here in Fordel.'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:50:56 2002] Bartender Woolf tells you, 'That'll be 6 silver 6 copper per House Midst Reserve.'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:51:03 2002] You say, 'what house midst reserve'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:51:04 2002] Bartender Woolf says 'Maybe it's the name, but it's odd how the boys over at the barracks prefer this drink over those in Midst. Could also be that it's cheap I suppose.'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:51:08 2002] Bartender Woolf tells you, 'That'll be 1 gold 1 silver 5 copper per House Stout Lager.'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:51:14 2002] You say, 'what house stout lager'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:51:15 2002] Bartender Woolf says 'It is one of the best sellers we have here. I think the name alone is enough to make folks want to buy one.'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:53:04 2002] You say, 'Hail, Bouncer Molas'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:53:04 2002] Bouncer Molas says 'Welcome to Grimthor's Mheryl. If you're one of those hard drinkers that likes to have a few drinks then raise a ruckus, be sure you keep in mind how big I am.'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:53:15 2002] You say, 'Hail, Grimthor'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:53:15 2002] Grimthor says 'Hi there Mheryl, my name is Grimthor and this here is my distillery. My little bar sure has come a long way since the beginning. If you would like to have a drink please help yourself. Woolf has a nice selection along with some information about any spirit you may choose.'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:53:21 2002] Grimthor judges you amiably -- You would probably win this fight..it's not certain though.
    [Mon Sep 16 14:53:27 2002] You say, 'Hail, Innkeep Alviva'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:53:30 2002] You say, 'Hail, Innkeep Alviva'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:54:00 2002] You say, 'Hail, Sibyl'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:54:05 2002] You say, 'Hail, Sibyl'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:54:37 2002] You say, 'Hail, Hamon'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:54:37 2002] Hamon says 'Nice to meet you there, Mheryl. I've had a lil' too much to drink, so I would stay clear of the balcony if I was you. Ugh'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:56:48 2002] You say, 'Hail, Lander Furthers'
    [Mon Sep 16 14:56:48 2002] Lander Furthers says 'Greetings Mheryl, if you are an aspiring brewer, I have just the tools for the trade. Take a look!'
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    Did I miss any relevant material that isn't guesses, speculation, or combine attempts? I only included mine because Brodder commented directly on them.
    Sir KyrosKrane Sylvanblade
    Master Artisan (300 + GM Trophy in all) of Luclin (Veeshan)
    Master Fisherman (200) and possibly Drunk (2xx + 20%), not sober enough to tell!
    Lightbringer, Redeemer, and Valiant servant of Erollisi Marr

  • #2
    Brodder
    EQ's Beer God

    Registered: Dec 1999
    Location: Hampton, Va. , USA
    Posts: 327
    Secret Recipe's of the Vicar of Liquor!!
    Snipped from My post on the coalition of trade-folks on whineplay...if yer there click find it and comment there too.
    On person went over board with a few hundred /cheers in his post. I hope yakazima skips that part of the post. Included there is a lil background story on how I got Dwarven ale back to kaladim over a year ago...

    here's the recipes I suggested.
    ***************************

    Well I decided to come up with some more recipes for the brewers among us...
    First off The Double Brewed Double Stout Dwarven Ale.
    Dwarven Ale + Dwarven Ale + Short Beer + short Beer+ Cask = DBDSDA (or Holy
    water to us dwarves)

    The FrostBite
    Vodka + Gnomish Spirits + Herb (pepermint/hot pepper) + ice of Velious + Bottle (a
    frosty concotion with a bite, also doubled as antifreeze for the gnome explorers of
    Velious) Would look like a frosty bottle with a bluish tinted liquid in it-think cabilis
    pale ale, but not pink, but light bluish in same bottle)

    Brodder's Revenge or Hair of the Dwarf that Bit ye!
    Mug Ale, shot scotch/whisky, veggies, snake egg
    cask. Good for what ails yah in dah morning. Secondary effect regurgitonic. (I
    know no effects with alcoholic beverages, maybe shaman could make the
    activateable one by adding a herb/root and rebottling it- a crossover trade skill
    requiring this brew)

    Stormguard Root Beer!
    Two Foraged Roots, spices, water flask, yeast, bottle.
    For the kiddies out there...

    Root Beer Float
    Root Beer and an Ice of Velious+ Icing

    Malted Milk
    Malt + Milk + Bottle

    Egg NOG
    Malted Milk + spices + Snake Egg(2) +Bottle

    Egg NOG XXX a holiday treat.
    Egg Nog + spirits of some sort (Brandy)

    Schnapps
    Fruit/Berries + Vodka/gnomish spirits + sweetener

    Fizzlepop
    Bottle + Berries + flask water + soda stone (new item?)
    A gnomsih child and wood elf delight. Sickly sweet and ever bubbly!

    There's the recipes I'd like added
    Feel free to post more and to use these too.


    Brodder FoamyMugs
    The Vicar of Liquor and all things Quicker
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    uh, Brodder, there seems ta be a page or three missin in them diarys..... I kin only find 1, 3, 4, 5, and 6.

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    Brodder
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    As designed. When I originally wrote them up for Verant-Yakatizma paragraphs and pages were missing, smudged, or bloodied...these parts were edited out.
    Also page 2 was supposed to hold the secrets to Fizzlepop, eggnogg, eggnoggxxx, rootbeer, double stout, etc etc..stuff that went in during giant trade patch.
    I had to write them up in a form that would pose some effort of testing , but not too much.
    Kudos to VI staff for putting in all the new items...the lichen and moss covered scales in steam front exist, the underfoot and innothule mushrooms exist, other needed items might as well exist also...

    Someone who can change to a goblin and use the faction spell (chanter) should check SOL bartender for the new bottles, if they are in...hehe

    Also some brews take multiple steps-
    My task here was to make more dificult brews so brewers had a skill that could increase above 168....
    Any more secrets I'm not free to give...

    Brodder FoamyMugs
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    • #3
      A highlight from Brodder's post:

      Someone who can change to a goblin and use the faction spell (chanter) should check SOL bartender for the new bottles, if they are in...hehe
      Holy moley ... is there even a spell that lets you look like a goblin?
      Sir KyrosKrane Sylvanblade
      Master Artisan (300 + GM Trophy in all) of Luclin (Veeshan)
      Master Fisherman (200) and possibly Drunk (2xx + 20%), not sober enough to tell!
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      • #4
        Don't need to look like a goblin to shop with the gob there. Just a sneak behind him... Seems like I am off to SolA now though.
        Slippyblade of Xev
        Phsychotic rogue and proud owner of the Embroidered Prayer Shawl.

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        • #5
          Now this gets REALLY interesting. =) I'd assumed that SOL = Shadows of Luclin -- or that he was talking about Bartender Woolf or Grimthor. Of course, this can't be, as it was posted about two expansions before they even existed. I also couldn't imagine why you'd need to look like a goblin when chatting with Woolf, particularly as most non-PC illusions are KoS in Shadow Haven. Sol A, with its goblin bartender, would of course be a much more sensible interpretation.

          Brodder's been prodding us about getting something spicy or pepper-like or hot. He's also mentioned Nagafen's chili or some such. Now we have references to Sol A, a lava-filled (and therefore very hot) zone -- which, not coincidentally, is right next to Sol B, or Nagafen's Lair. This gets curiouser and curiouser.
          Sir KyrosKrane Sylvanblade
          Master Artisan (300 + GM Trophy in all) of Luclin (Veeshan)
          Master Fisherman (200) and possibly Drunk (2xx + 20%), not sober enough to tell!
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          • #6
            Brodder's been prodding us about getting something spicy or pepper-like or hot. He's also mentioned Nagafen's chili or some such. Now we have references to Sol A, a lava-filled (and therefore very hot) zone -- which, not coincidentally, is right next to Sol B, or Nagafen's Lair. This gets curiouser and curiouser.
            The Nagafen's chili was an off-topic musing from Brodder. He had suggested such a recipe ages ago and was curious if they ever added it to the game. They have not.

            I've tried over and over to figure out what would be in a "hangover tonic". What it appears to be, is when Brodder woke up on morning after a night of heavy drinking, he had this huge hangover and needed a cure. But...since Brodder loves to tip the bottle, he couldn't resist added some "flavor" to his hangover cure. I may be waaay off but it seems it's a simple recipe and we'll all go "duh" once it's discovered.

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            • #7
              Slightly off topic....and not sure if it's been mentioned in the 12 page post since I never found time to read all of it. But there used to be an alchemy recipe that was supposed to be a hangover cure (it was always bugged in game and only gave a cha buff instead). Forgot the name of it as it was before my alchemy days, but it might be the Broder's Revenge that you're looking for. This was old alchemy.
              ~Tudani
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              • #8
                Re: Lewena's Drink and Brodder's Revenge, Summarized

                I've been lurking for a bit and reading over the various threads related to this. It's quite intriguing. There have been some good idea presented here and it's only a matter of time until this gets solved.

                I have a thought on one of the stanzas in the poem that Brodder wrote:
                Originally posted by KyrosKrane
                June 23, 2003:
                Originally posted by Brodder FoamyMugs
                My bags are full, and halflings distracted...
                Jumjum I'd never consume
                Nor the juice of a legume...
                But with vodka, and egg and spices concoted...
                YOur revenge might be cured after all...
                It is my opinion that the jumjum and legume references were dismissed too quickly. What I think he's saying here is that by themselves, he would not dare touch them, but when they are mixed with vodka, egg and spices, it makes a drink.

                Along those lines, I would think that the jumjum refers to jumjum juice, jumjum stalk or jumjum spiced beer (probably goes without saying, but I'm saying it anyway. ) The legume reference is less obvious. I remember reading about a tailor who, when finished with cured silk (or Wu's) combines, drank the rest of the heady kiolas that remained. I think the "cured" in the last sentence might refer using a heady kiola in the recipe. I mention kiola because I know kiola nuts exist in game (going back to the legume reference), but heady paeala might also be a possibility.

                Sorry for the longwinded post but I was brainstorming over this and came up with this thought. I hope it aids in tracking down the recipe and not in adding to the chaos.

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                • #9
                  Only thing is, legumes are beans. There are no beans in the game so I tried to figure out the next closest thing...veggies.

                  I'm pretty sure what he means by cure is, the drink Brodder's Revenge, was meant to be a hangover cure.

                  I thought the same thing as you about what he said about jumjum and legumes not being liked. I also thought he meant that he wouldn't like them by themselves but mixed with something else he would have no problem consuming them.

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                  • #10
                    Aye, legumes are beans but peanuts are also classified as legumes. I was thinking along the lines of what nuts are in the game that would yield "juice." Now that I think about it some more, maybe those "never consume" lines are referring to non-consumable components. Perhaps that refers to a jumjum stalk and kiola sap or maybe I'm just barking up the wrong tree? It might be worth a shot though. I'll see what I can come up with in game.

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                    • #11
                      Errr.. hair of the dog that bit you?

                      Errr hair of the dog that bit you? A tuft of Dire Wolf Fur?

                      Comment about people never looking down might imply foraging...
                      It's not nice tah look at other people's stuff:
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                      • #12
                        Yes, I think people are/were on the wrong track.

                        (1) I think, this is the recipe for ogre bean beer. The problem is
                        finding the item to make the "bean juice". One can also view a
                        few of the old Vic's lines as reference to the end result of drinking
                        such a brew. I'm sure you want to be up wind.

                        (2) On "mug ale" think Face. Hair of the Dwarf that bit ya think
                        Beard. After all, what does just about any Dwarf see when they
                        look down ? I suspect toes, feet, boots, shoes... are not in the
                        solution set.

                        Would there be a portrait of a dwarf on a shelf near that thirsty lass ?

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                        • #13
                          Actually, there are shelves of mugs behind the bar near where she is standing. I took the time to point/click each one just in case there was one I could pick up but no luck. (I was just thinking about that PoK quest where you have to go to the library and get a book that spawns.) I'm going to keep looking to see if anything triggers a thought.

                          Idana

                          *edited*

                          Ok, I also "looked down" from where Lewena is and from that vantage point you can see the entrance to The Knight's Table. Oddly enough, there is a mug on the floor by the left wall. Again, you can't pick it up (or at least I couldn't). If you hail the female bartender in there, she tells you she will try to make any drink you want. I asked her about Brodder's Revenge and then about Lewena's favorite drink but got no response. However... I wonder if you have to give her the items once we have them figured out, or something like that. Just a thought. Also, directly beneath Lewena is the venders that sell paeala sap and bark. There is a tantalizing book behind the female vendor that you tragically cannot pick up. Why do you taunt me so?! Has anyone tried chagra spices? I can't forage so I don't know if they are flagged for tradeskills or not.

                          *ok, edited again*

                          Yes, I do know how to use the search function and yes I see that someone has tried chagra spices. Sorry for spouting off before I looked.

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                          • #14
                            "Hair of the dog that bit you" actually refers to a remedy that contains a little bit of whatever made you unwell to begin with. Most often it's used in reference to alcohol - i.e. treating a hangover with a Bloody Mary or Screwdriver is having a a hair of the dog that bit ya. I don't think Brodder means to take it literally. =)
                            Corii Se'Lune
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                            • #15
                              Temple of Marr (Honor B) heartfruit walnut N Y N N N wt 0.1, all/all

                              i foraged these the other day in duh marr and if i recall they are flagged trade skill usable i am at work now so cannot verify 100%
                              Javalin

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