So has anyone made HOT SAUCE yet?

[solithan]

No he specifically said no prickles so no cactus. Nice thought but this has been ruled out already.

No prickles, no jum jum, no saltpeter, no parts of intellegent creatures, if its not edible or brewable its not likely to be in it. This all rules out a lot but doesn't bring us much closer to finding it.

So far the only thing we have is Bag of Sea Salt and Vinegar, possible mixing or brewing subcombine with baking being a second combine.

[YurienStonebow]

No prickles, no jum jum, no saltpeter, no parts of "intellegent creatures", if its not edible or brewable its not likely to be in it.

when did ogres and inkies become intelligent?

[Elmier]

Pickles

Okay got bored today did some talking with peeps from Thurgadin and Frostone, well needless to say they didn't say much but did fing these items with tradeskill tags....

Kromrif spit vodka
Melted Glaciar whisky
Rubbing alcohol

Also found recipes for Pickles....

Meat from certain things.
Vinegar
Jar


Probably just Some old news for us to look at.

[Quillium]

Hi,

So, pardon me for being a bit naive to this whole process, but let me see if i get this straight. Some guy who goes by the name of Brodder Frostymugs used to work on the game and while doing so put recipes into the game? Now, years later he trolls the EQ Traders message board, in roleplay no less, dropping riddles to these recipes that nobody has discovered because there weren't sufficient links in the game itself for the recipes to be discovered, or none at all?

Sorry, this wackiness has gone too far. There is no reason, none, that anybody that ever had anything to do with the development process for Everquest should be getting on boards dropping information about the game. If the game cannot be a self-contained entity and work on its own, it is broken. Any item that does not have sufficient information in game to either lead to its discovery, whether direct or inferred, is broken. No amount of dropping riddles offline will change that, even if we are finally able to run this orphan combine in game. If you want to point people to ingame sources, great. We overlooked something, we'll go back and reconsider the information and interpolate. But to suddenly throw out new information on a public message board that has no relevance to the game in order to 'discover' a combine that you had no possibility of coming up with in the first place is ludicrous.

Tradeskills are not a game of pin the tail on the donkey. Let me try 5 billion combines of tradeskill marked items until SOMETHING succeeds, then claim i 'discovered' it. Macro programs can do that given enough time, thanks. Your basic ingame information should go as follows:

1) Easy - Recipe books with the recipes spelled out. Check. Got that now.
2) Medium - Recipes that aren't spelled out in the books, but can be inferred from their name or type. If I need to make a Bow, i should know i'm dealing with a specific structure that was given out by the earlier bows, with some experimentation to try different materials per the makers of say a Dwaven Bow.
3) Hard - Items and the structures for such are given out in passing conversation with NPC's. Maybe one of the subcombines was given out by NPC X while another was given out by NPC Y. When you take the information given from both and infer from it what you will, you hopefully with intelligence come up with Item Z. Like a good jigsaw puzzle, the pieces are there, its just a matter of you getting all of them, turning them this way and that, and putting them together per the information to make a complete picture.

Here is the cold skinny, if you don't have ingame sources to back this Hot Sauce? item up, please stop wasting our time and delete it from the database. I may play the game Everquest online, but I won't delve into the Brodder Game offline. Thanks.

-Quillium Lifehammer
65 Warrior Fennin Ro

[Furyrpied]

Quote:

3) Hard - Items and the structures for such are given out in passing conversation with NPC's. Maybe one of the subcombines was given out by NPC X while another was given out by NPC Y. When you take the information given from both and infer from it what you will, you hopefully with intelligence come up with Item Z. Like a good jigsaw puzzle, the pieces are there, its just a matter of you getting all of them, turning them this way and that, and putting them together per the information to make a complete picture.

End quote:

That's the idea here, problem is that (like so many other things out there) the NPCs that are supposed to give us hints (Lewna anyone?) are broken and not giving out the right information or any information at all.

You may not want to 'play the brodder game' but many of us do, and IMO even Brodder doesn't know if the recepies are actually in the game but would like to find out and he has enlisted an army of tradeskillers to find out.

Personally I can't wait till we 'discover' Brodders Revenge, or Hot Sauce or what ever.

[Inyidd]

By the way, and others can correct me if I'm wrong, but Brodder wasn't a developer. Brodder was simply someone who had something significant to add to what was being done by the developers, and they were willing to put some of it in game. Thus Brodder doesn't know for sure how exact his recipes were followed.

Besides, even if he did confirm recipes in game, he has agreements with the previous developers of the game to not reveal any recipes directly. I don't know the exact substance of the agreements, but it seems to me that he's doing his best to help the tradeskill community that he was a part of without destroying his personal honor - which is very important to us Dwarves you know!

Any "games" Brodder plays are strictly for our benefit because he knows that the in game information you're so enamored of is broken.

[Froni Thunderpaws]

Probably a stupid idea

My dad sometimes called eggs, chicken fruit - so is there any chance that a dragon egg, drake egg, or wurm egg could be the fruit of interest? I know that eggs are pickled with vinegar and I would expect that a pickled dragon egg would pack a punch of fire. I'll try some combines when I get a chance but it will likely be next year.

(Sorry if this is a repeat suggestion but 11 pages is a lot to sort through.)

[Quillium]

Furyrpied said:
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That's the idea here, problem is that (like so many other things out there) the NPCs that are supposed to give us hints (Lewna anyone?) are broken and not giving out the right information or any information at all.

You may not want to 'play the brodder game' but many of us do, and IMO even Brodder doesn't know if the recepies are actually in the game but would like to find out and he has enlisted an army of tradeskillers to find out.

Personally I can't wait till we 'discover' Brodders Revenge, or Hot Sauce or what ever.
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Personally, I think its going to be a shame when we 'discover' Brodder's Revenge. For a person who likes to play games and solve puzzles, I can think of nothing worse than being clued to death by the developers or former developers of that game in order to simply come up with an answer. I'd rather the game got fixed so it worked properly and people had a fair crack at doing this on their own. The entire fun is in the hunt, and discovering things on your own without inventor intervention. One day during a patch message we see, 'Quests in Shadow Haven have been updated to ensure completeness. You might want to go back and re-talk to the NPC's there.' When you do, it gives clearer information and better connections to lead you to the inevitable conclusions of Brodder's Revenge and Laewana's Favorite Drink. For me, being able to do those quests in game to get those drinks is oh so much sweeter and has the added benefit of someone 5 years down the road, when maybe these message boards have gone to dust, or gotten lost in a horrible hard drive accident, be able to run the quest and have the fun in solving it.

-Quillium Lifehammer
65 Warrior Fennin Ro

[KyrosKrane]

While Quillium has a point, I'd like to clarify a few things.

1) Brodder is not, and to the best of our knowlege, has never been, a Verant or Sony employee. Rather, he was a player who did a superb job at role-playing a drunken cleric in the early days of EQ (and for that matter, I believe he still does!).

2) Around the Kunark era, give or take a month, he wrote up and submitted to the developers a number of his brewing diaries. They contained recipes that ranged from the basic to the complex to the absurdly humorous, as per his earlier statements.

3) The developers selected some of his recipes, modified them to suit their needs, and inserted them into the game around the time of the Velious launch. Some were inserted unchanged, others changed significantly.

4) Some of the recipes were published in in-game books; others were not. Brodder has no direct knowledge of how the unpublished recipes were changed unless he re-discovered them himself, and what knowledge he has can't be shared due to his trust with the developers. He can't give us straight-out answers, but he can give us clues and hints to prod us in the right direction.

5) It would appear that Brodder himself isn't entirely certain of the recipe for Brodder's Revenge as it exists in the game -- witness first the suggestion of hot sauce and then the switch to underfoot whiskey.

6) A while back, the developers said they'd be putting some clue NPC's into the game that give us hints with Brodder's Revenge and Lewena's ale. Those NPC's (or at least the clue texts) have not been added to the game, as far as anyone can tell. Lewena's text has changed from her original (and a response to "what secret" has been removed from her text). As far as we know, no new text was added to her or to any other Shadow Haven NPC's; nor were new NPC's added to the city other than the short-lived Casino staff.

Hope that clears up some points.

[Tudani]

Re: Probably a stupid idea

Originally posted by Froni Thunderpaws
My dad sometimes called eggs, chicken fruit - so is there any chance that a dragon egg, drake egg, or wurm egg could be the fruit of interest? I know that eggs are pickled with vinegar and I would expect that a pickled dragon egg would pack a punch of fire. I'll try some combines when I get a chance but it will likely be next year.

(Sorry if this is a repeat suggestion but 11 pages is a lot to sort through.)

That sounds like a good idea! Either the straight up egg or the pickled.

[Slippyblade]

Hey Quillium, while you're on your holy crusade, try imaginning what we went through back in the day BEFORE the tradeskill tag existed. When they ONLY way to determine if an in-game item was used in a tradeskill was to plug away. Oh yeah, let's not forget that tradeskill containers used to eat **ANYTHING** that was in the container when you hit the combine button, tradeskill usable or not!

Just remember that you are not a designer for EQ. How you think the world should work and how it does work are very different things. And while you may not like it, you have about as much chance of changing it as you do of getting Saddam aquitted.

[Inyidd]

Please confine yourself to discussion on the topic. Personal attacks are verboten on these boards, and your comments are perilously close to crossing the line.

Thanks

[Quillium]

Slippyblade said:
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Hey Quillium, while you're on your holy crusade, try imaginning what we went through back in the day BEFORE the tradeskill tag existed.
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Well, since your first instinct was a personal attack on my beliefs, per the holy crusade comment, you allready ended the discussion and it merits no further response. Thanks.

-Quillium Lifehammer
65 Warrior Fennin Ro

[Angelsyn]

Alright people...

Please restrict comments to the topic at hand... that being ideas on solving the recipies.

One more comment from either side, and I'll start slicing and dicing this thread down to the bare bones.

[Quichon]

Let us all rewind a bit and go back to the basics.

Hot Sauce is supposed to be an ingredient to Brodder's Revenge. Supposedly, this is what gives it that 'kick' sure to get you up and (sorta) on your feet after imbibing too much from the night before.

Also, Brodder wrote us something to ponder whilst we puzzle out this invention:

With a tear in my eye
a small bottle I did decry
Red and fierce it had to be
for it to finish this recipe

A small fruit as fierce as a dragon's breath
Ogre's favorite juice to capture it's death
One list called for veggies, another for fruit
But a dwarf could capture best the firey loot

By mixing a bit of both, with the dragon's fruit
Foam of sea captured and caked.
WOuld in a cask be baked

Aged by a brewer...
decanted into bottles many and small...
For a few drops, is a wondrous cure all...
For with that fire, all other aches will seem fewer...

Now then, we can (mostly) agree that the ogres favorite juice is Vinegar. Right now that seems to be the ONLY ingredient we can all agree on. Having re-read the clue, I doubt he is talking about a dragon egg, although such IS in the proper era (vellious). Besides, Brodder's Revenge already has an Aviak Egg as a confirmed (or about as confirmed as we can get right now) ingredient to it, so it doesn't need anymore egg on it's face. I am particularily interested in the line 'one list calls for veggies, another for fruit'... tomatoes are a fruit, even though many call them a veggie. If there were tomatoes in EQ, I'd point to them instantly. As it is... dunno. Also, we need to find a vellious era 'small fruit fierce as a dragon's breath'. Now, I can see Garlic being referred to here, (have you ever smelt Garlic Breath... I'd rather face a dragon's personally) only it is found exclusivly at Neriak, and I don't see Brodder being nice and friendly with the Tir'Dal long enough to get some. Hardly something that a dwarf would best capture. No onions either, that would be my next guess. If it was a PoP recipie, I would use the Peppers, but apparently it's been out long before then, and I believe every permutation on pepper+vinegar has already been combined and failed.

just trying to get this train un-derailed and this mystery solved.