Amalgator Combines

[Nitpaac]

Of course it would be excellent for the tinkerers who work for their living, seeing the potential customers, high end raiders with lots of platinum in their pockets.

Just kidding, I somewhat doubt that there will be more than a few AAAA on each server, it would be just plain silly if they are used up in the combines.

But a /feedback never hurts.

Cheers,
Nitpaac

[Tolpan-Mortalis]

I am fine with the AAAA getting used up every combine, at least gives tradeskillers something to do. Would be rather boring if just 2 or 3 people / server would make one and then never any again.

I would rather see the augmentations hitpoint/mana values slightly upped (bazu 195, last blood 225 or so) so the very work & platinum intensive (cultural + raid dropped slot 12 augment) armor is also slightly better than anguish armor that you only have to get 2 or 3 cheap quest items for.

As for slot 7 augmentations, go to Circle of Drakes (24man) raids:
http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=71599
http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=71598

[Redi]

After spending about 3k for the jewelcraft stuff (rubies + platinum, mostly), I ran some numbers on the smithing subcombines. Forgive my shorthand, and let me know if there are any mistakes in my math:

need

20 small hq steel plates
3 hq steel plates
4 large hq steel plaets
2 hq hinges
1 hq latch
1 block hq steel

* = limited vendor supply

6 GHS + lg br refined hq ore* + 3 hq carbon pwdr =
lg br hq steel (LBHQS)

3 LBHQS + 3 GHS =
block hq steel (BHQS)

1 BHQS + smithy hammer =
sm hq steel plate

... == 21 ghs
9 hq carbon powder
3 ore

======= 20 x === 420 ghs, 190 hqcp, 60 ore
(assuming no fails)


2 BHQS + smithy hammer =
hq steel plate

... == (2 blocks = 6 lg bricks, 6 more ghs)
42 ghs
18 hqcp
6 ore

======= 3 x === 126 ghs, 54 hqcp, 18 ore
(assuming no fails)


3 BHQS + smithy hammer =
lg hq steel plate

... == (3 blocks = 9 lg bricks, 9 more ghs)
54 ghs
27 hqcp
9 ore

====== 4 x === 216 ghs, 108 hqcp, 36 ore
(assuming no fails)

+ 1 block hq steel ( 21 ghs, 9 hqcp, 3 ore)


420 + 126 + 216 + 21 = 783 gnomish heat sources @ 1.05 pp
190 + 54 + 108 + 9 = 361 high quality carbon powder @ 10.5 pp
60 + 18 + 36 + 3 = 117 large bricks of refined hq ore @ 63 pp (vendor stock 100 max)



3 ghs + sm br ref hq ore* + hq carbon pwdr =
sm br hq steel

sm br hq steel + smithing chisel =
sm piece hq steel

sphqs + file + latch mold =
hq latch

sphqs + file + hinge mold =
hq hinge (need 2)



latch = 3 ghs + 1 small brick ore + 1 hqcp
hinges = (6) ghs + (2) ore + (2) hqcp




All of that is assuming no fail; I'd imagine most people working on this fall into the 95% success range, so can add another 5% to what you'll need.

So it looks like... several hundred subcombines (though some doable in batches) and about 10k plat, assuming no fails on this or the 351 trivial tinkering stuff?

[Taraddar]

I get 7371 for the HQ ore, 3790 for the carbon and 822 for the heat sources totalling 11983 or almost 12k assuming no failiers. I think thats rediculous that it's consumed.

[tnexus]

12k isn't too much, but judging by the high trivial rate, you'll almost have to double that for an actual price range. Keep in mind this not including CC drops.

[CaiserSoze]

you forgot the platinum bars+thread...vials ofpurified mana....other odds and ends that add up
total tally is about 18k in vendor sold components with zero fails, total of 274 combines, if you include making the holepoker into the equation

[Brael]

Add in failures too and it's much higher than 18k.

[Salaza]

I did not delete your previous post.

You yourself stated in the post you were pissed off, and it's tone was rantish, so I split it off from this thread and moved it to PSR. I was in a hurry so forgot to send you a PM to let you know, sorry.

Any further comments about moderation can be sent to me or one of the other mods by PM, according to the Forum Rules.

~Thanks, Maev

[Redi]

you forgot the platinum bars+thread...vials ofpurified mana....other odds and ends that add up
total tally is about 18k in vendor sold components with zero fails, total of 274 combines, if you include making the holepoker into the equation

Yeah, I had already dropped 2-3k on the rubies and platinum bars, so I was just looking at the cost of the steel and smithing stuff on this step. And the fun part is that failures on a small step (like making HQ steel) might end up adding 5% to the tradeskiller's cost, but a failure on some of the tinkering combines could double it.

So if we're looking at an average cost of say, 30k per attempt, plus drop-only stuff (clockwork things, blue diamonds, diamonds, shadowmane pelts)... man, I can't see people making much use of half of it - a Chronal seal just doesn't seem to be worth the expense.

[tnexus]

274 combines in reality is not all that much. (Annoying as heck, but I've done a lot worse) I mean consider a run of skillups and you'll easily have more. That said, the ore is kind of annoying as it can run out. I used up almost all 4 sources before the patch just making all my precombines. Luckily at 300 skill (didn't use a mod) I never failed a single smithing combine, so fails didn't really seem to be an issue.

[Xulan]

Is the AAAA tokenizable? Has anyone tried? I know it should be to sell - just wondered if it works.

[Redi]

I remember seeing an AAAA token on Lucy.

[menssia01]

Can Confirm regarding the AAAA token. Handed the box in and got one. (It was only then that the item appeared in /buyer list!. Woot!)

Other thing just for a bit of trival :
Total cost for making a AAAA is 18,113.746 pp (give or take)
Note: This price is estimated as if there were no fails on combines, and all items were bought from NPC merchants.

(I did not include shadowmane pelts (I just don't have merchant cost info, and vegetables I did not include as you can only buy from players).

Cost of tools used not inc either to make it simple.

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[Qaladar Bragollach]

You can make vegetables. The components for it are all vendor bought.

A negligible change in price though, of course.

[Mystic Lioness]

I just don't see any the value of making any chronal or discordant seals if the AAAA is used up in the combine. You can a lazy afternoon of DoN's and get a 50 or 55 hp aug easily. If you are on a non-no drop server, like me, the 50 augs sell relatively cheaply. There is no point whatsoever to make those augs if you lose the amalgamator.