Amalgator Combines

[Taraddar]

Actually...the total combine count is 280 or so counting all the metal sheets/etc... =)

Dang, I just went by the posted list I didn't even think about having to make the sheets.

[Bonkr]

So some random raider loots a low level stone and unless they are a GM tradeskiller themselves they will need to spend 100k-150k for DoN cultural armor and the symbol then 300k-500k for an Amalgamator that is consumed? All of that for gear that is sub-Qvic level? The economics are not well thought through here.

[mithridate]

Is the Scrindites Mechanoinstruction Manual returned upon success / failure? It's a major pain to do that quest, so I am hoping you would only have to do it once.

[Taadieri]

The gear is not sub-Qvic level. The Bazu Seal drops in the Korlach raid that can be done (slowly and with difficulty) by a single anguish level group, or presumably by several groups of as little as time-geared players.

The stats reported on Lucy for the Bazu Seal of Ferocity, all the parts for which have now been found in the game, are:

ac30 all stats+5 hp/mana/end+180 fire/dis+13 cold/magic/pois+12
shielding+2% accuracy+6 stun resist+2% dot shielding+2% attack+20 regeneration+1
focus: ferocity v

If these stats are correct and you add that augment to any GM don armor and symbol combo other than chest or maybe legs, you end up with a something that has beter ac, comparable stats and resists and slightly inferior time effects (shielding, etc) compared to the Anguish armor.

In order for Tarradar's comparison to come out lower, he had to put a pre-Qvic augment in the type 7 slot of the cultural armor and an Anguish augment in the Anguish armor. While it is true that the player using the cultural armor may not have access to an Anguish augment, that doesn't change the quality of the armor.

Under the circumstances, I expect that many people will be willing to pay quite a bit for the tradskilled pieces they need to finish these augments and for the armor to put them in.

[Brael]

Is the Scrindites Mechanoinstruction Manual returned upon success / failure? It's a major pain to do that quest, so I am hoping you would only have to do it once.

Yes, it's returned.

[Taraddar]

In order for Tarradar's comparison to come out lower, he had to put a pre-Qvic augment in the type 7 slot of the cultural armor and an Anguish augment in the Anguish armor. While it is true that the player using the cultural armor may not have access to an Anguish augment, that doesn't change the quality of the armor.

Show my any post qvic augment that will got into a slot 7. Qvic + augments in GoD are all slot 8. All the anguish augments are slot 8. You could make an arguement for a 55 or 65 hps or mana augment from rifts or bought from DoN if you prefer one or the other but thats not much different. Being slot 7 significantly limits the options for high end augments. I didn't put an anguish augment in the cultural armor because you can't.

Obviously if you can get an anguish level slot 7 and 8 augment from DoDh or somewhere else that would put it a bit a head but your anguish augs don't fit. Off hand I haven't paid enough attention to DoDh to know if there is such an aug yet or how reasonable it would be to get compaired to anguish augs.

[Phantron]

A GM armor with a last blood aug plus a Flamestone Shield (25 ac type 7) would be unquestionably better than any Anguish class armor counterpart, minus the fact that the GM BP won't have the unique focus/clicky that you find on Anguish BPs. Since you can click anguish BP from inventory, that only means you're behind by a focus, which may or may not be replaceable with better gear. For slots the flamestone shield won't go in you can always use a 20 AC aug, one of the many 7/8 augs for DoD missions, a 7/8 aug from DoN merchants, or the BiC aug.

Doesn't look like a bad deal to me at least in terms of gear power.

[Brael]

My BP (cultural) is 154 ac 325 hp, my anguish bp is 150 ac 355 hp both with a flameshield stone in them. Looks pretty comparable to me. For non tank classes those RS AC augs mean less so you have a point there Taraddar but for tanks atleast they're very very very close items.

[Taraddar]

My BP (cultural) is 154 ac 325 hp, my anguish bp is 150 ac 355 hp both with a flameshield stone in them. Looks pretty comparable to me. For non tank classes those RS AC augs mean less so you have a point there Taraddar but for tanks atleast they're very very very close items.

For tanks I can definitely see where your coming from. It's also a very different situation since the best augments you can use for AC are slot 7 and 8. There are no 50 ac anguish augs that are slot 8 only. The only slight advantage slot 8 has for ac is the 1 30 ac aug from the primals in yxtta.

As a caster the slot 8 anguish augs are far better than anything else readily available for slot 7.

[Taadieri]

Your point about type 7 versus type 8 augs slots is well made and that does give the Anguish armor a slight edge if not quite as large as you showed. However, a combination of tradeskilled armor and a single Time to Qvic level raid drop can still give you armor that is close to Anguish level and a clear step above Qvic.

[Phantron]

I really don't think you'll have people with a full suit of last blood due to rarity of components and assuming that the stones don't drop off every other mob (the stones before last blood certainly aren't common). BiC covers one slot 7 and certainly anyone who can get last blood augs can get BiC aug if they're willing to put the time.

[Taadieri]

You are right, but what the augments do mean is one extra drop per raid that can be used to create a piece of anguish or near anguish armor.

Few, if any people, will have one in every slot. However, I expect most people raiding at the appropriate levels will eventually have 1 or 2 just for the chance to get particular foci that aren't on the rest of their gear.

I expect most or all of the base augs that drop should eventually be turned into finished augs. Hopefully, this will lead to considerable profit opportunities for tradeskillers.

[Sliggoth]

I would just like to chip in with the point that I am so utterly thrilled with the idea that the no drop stones for these drop from raids. Just overjoyed and delighted that yet again the key part is something Im never going to see.

Tradeskills interest me a lot and I thoroughly enjoy them. Partially because of the time I put into trades, and other time constraints, Im not a raider. Getting to 2100 was a long involved process and overall an enjoyable struggle... having the skills to be able to do this but being locked out of another tradeskill process is not.

Just a nonraiders perspective.


Sliggoth, druid/ tradeskiller of 7th Hammer

[Artallen]

Stone

I thought it was the discordant stone that dropped from the Korlach? And does anyone know (and would be willing to tell) where this raid/expedition for the Korlach is gotten? Is it in Undershore, Stoneroot, or Ilisain?

While I can see a bazu stone being worthwhile to anguish geared folks, I don't think a discordant stone would be.

-Artallen

[Mystic Lioness]

I suggest that we all /feedback if the AAAA is really used up in the final combine. That is just amazing considering how hard it is to make.