Plainswalker's Treant Laminated Bow

[snakebane]

As a lvl 41 Ranger with a 227 fletching skill I would dearly love to be able to just get the componants for these. Well someday Sniff Sniff.

[Ueauvan]

i have a bundle of items and cant make cos dont have the metal for cams
nice to see 2 aug slots 4/7 very unhappy to see jewellry get 2 x slot 1 and 1 x slot 7 on an earring. jc gets closer to gm stuff fletching gets to GoD level with velium weps and their 2 slots

does anyone use a proc in their bow, most of the time no as the proc rate is very low and lots of things break root

all wearable slots should have gm level gear, ie 3 slots 7/11/12.
jc/tailoring/smithing/pottery/fletching

why is it smithing+tailoring>jc>pottery>fletching?

[Aquendar Lerilon]

I just don't want to go into details because I do not want hoarding and I do not want price gouging.

The bows are up for 125000 plat and more on Tribunal. The buyers will be gouged when suddenly their 145 HP/Mana, 25 to 4 different saves bow doesn't have those stats anymore unless they go up.

Yeah, you can get some back with augs. If you don't want proc you can even use a type 7 and type any aug to put stat/HP augs in both slots.

However, since the Plainswalkers are the most valuable tradeskill bows in the game, the only fair way to do this and not rip off the buyers of the bows (I'm not one of them, but have one) would be:

1) If you're changing the name already, then adjust current Plainswalkers to the higher bow you mention. Make it the better one. There's always a reward in lots of other areas in the game for being first, this would be nothing new.
2) Put the new nerfed version of it in BETWEEN Plainswalkers and the Composite Treant Laminated Compound Bow.

So, to not "punish" or be unfair to those that have made/bought this bow so far, the order of power should be:

Composite Treant Laminated Compound Bow
Replacement for Plainswalkers
Plainswalkers renamed and pushed to this top level.

So if you have a Plainswalkers, you will still have the best tradeskill bow in the game, just better an with a different name. If you don't, you can get the new nerfed version of it or the (I assume) harder to make top end bow.

[Brickhaus]

Since Ngreth opened the bag by responding, I have a few questions:

...I just don't want to go into details because I do not want hoarding and I do not want price gouging. I warn against hoarding because you could end up hoarding something that ends up being adjusted down.

If there is to be "Hoarding" I would hoard the supplies, not the bows themselves. But I leave that up to you guys.

Supplies as in base raw materials, or supplies as in the partial combines? I have been creating the 3 laminates, adhesives and Composite Treant Laminated Bow Staffs as I get the materials. Since I have read your note above, I have stopped doing more but have some in stock. Should I rush to make these materials into finished bows or will there still be use for them after changes? (Same question for broken battle blades & sundered blades/bolts & gears/battle cams)

Yes, curently bows will be ajusted.

This Is why I advise against hoarding current bows.

But then, with a slot 7, you can add a HP augment and get more HP on it than before anyway.

So both high end PoR bows are changing and not just the Plainswalker?

Finally just curious...what level of hp aug are you talking about? 50? 70? 90? A lot of the audience for this bow will not have ready access to multiple 50+ hp augs IMO.

Brickhaus

[Bobaten]

very unhappy to see jewellry get 2 x slot 1 and 1 x slot 7 on an earring. jc gets closer to gm stuff fletching gets to GoD level with velium weps and their 2 slots

Those Prestidigitase items don't actually have the 2 type one slots. They are currently invisible to players and will be removed next patch. However the Harmonagate items DO have a type 7 and a type 9 slot. Even so, this only brings them up to the level of jewelry you can buy from DoN merchants for 225 crystals. So fletching is still ahead.

[Ueauvan]

fair enuff but jc and fletching are both behind gm stuff then still

broken blades 20k on tunare, cant be bothered to make the subcombines before i need the cams. how any non qvic plus fletcher gets a devestation group i dont know. i could get a group but PoR makes it so laggy id be a liability

[Aquendar Lerilon]

fair enuff but jc and fletching are both behind gm stuff then still

broken blades 20k on tunare, cant be bothered to make the subcombines before i need the cams. how any non qvic plus fletcher gets a devestation group i dont know. i could get a group but PoR makes it so laggy id be a liability

I'm barely into EP level gear and I got 6 Sundered Blades in under 20 minutes. If you invis up, and sneak around, in every camp with an aura + a catapult you can expect to find a ground spawn. No group needed. I have them marked on my map now.

[Gorse]

Ueauvan,

If you need any assistance with any of the parts or sub comines send me an in game tell. If it is just the bow you want, the next one I make is yours, but I know some people like to make things themselves (I know I am one of them).

I agree on the lag though, it is horrible (Runnning DSL, 3+Ghz Processor, 256 MB Video card with 1 Gig of ram, two year old system), more than once I have lagged then been dead, or lagged feared then dead, looking for the ground spawns. Of the 10 times I've gone into Devistation looking for ground spawns, I've made it out alive just twice (and one of those I was double dotted and at 4% life when WS/Origin fired, I even managed to live on the other side).



Gorse

[Rwauld]

Gorse i understand what Ngeth's trying to do but the benchmanrk for any tradeskill item has to GM smithed and tailored armour

Right. So you're saying the drop rates should be pushed to that of Coarse Silks? That is the GM benchmark I'm living with right now. Changes come, changes go. Live with it. Get over it, get on with the game.

[Ueauvan]

i havent got a problem with drop rates being like coarse silk or metallic thingies to get at the end an item equivalent of GM smith/tailoring

i couldnt give a monkeys about what the end receipe is/was/will be personally, i have a plaguebreeze. most rangers i know have better than a plainswalker. my problem is the longer we accept being treated as an ancillary tradeskill the longer we get comparatively lesser receipe results to smithing and tailoring.

Gorse
Many thanks for the very kind offer, however I will decline. If i could get blades/cams id use my supplies to make some bows for deserving rangers. i have a 251 tinker bot (ele cams ^^). ive banked them on a mule until i get some cams.

please dont accept an upgrade on a substandard receipe which happens to be better than we had before. we need to be treated equally. 4 expansions later we go from stonewood to this. how far have other tradeskills, especially the "favoured" ts's of smithing and tailoring, progressed since PoP.

this is my opinion, Ngeth wont change anything and everyone will tell me to shut up on this forum but i reserve my right to stand up for my tradeskill and progress it the way I think it should be.

[Laspeera]

This wouldn't happen to be the "new" version would it?

Not counting aug slots of course.

Forest Stalker's Treant Laminated Bow
MAGIC ITEM
Slot: RANGE
Skill: Archery Atk Delay: 42
DMG: 45 AC: 10
Skill Mod: Archery +5%
STR: +15 DEX: +5 STA: +15 WIS: +15 INT: +15 HP: +120 MANA: +120 ENDUR: +120
SV FIRE: +25 SV DISEASE: +25 SV MAGIC: +25 SV POISON: +25
Regeneration: +2 Mana Regeneration: +2
Recommended level of 67. Required level of 60.
WT: 3.0 Range: 220 Size: LARGE
Class: RNG
Race: ALL

*edit in* I really hope this is not what the "new and improved" is going to look like. Even with a 4 and a 7 for aug slots it's not that much better than a Stonewood. The only thing that makes me possibly think that this wouldn't be the new version are the level requirements on it. 60 Req and 67 Rec makes me think that there's at least one more above this. And if not, then the composite will be dropping to about 100hp/m/e and that would be a shame, since it's not really that much better than PoP bows.


Laspeera Leafblade

[Ueauvan]

i still boggle at low dex, int ! and lack of agi for a ranger only bow, 42 delay /shudder

the major problem i have with sundered is the massive lag in PoR zones

[Aquendar Lerilon]

This wouldn't happen to be the "new" version would it?

Not counting aug slots of course.

Forest Stalker's Treant Laminated Bow
MAGIC ITEM
Slot: RANGE
Skill: Archery Atk Delay: 42
DMG: 45 AC: 10
Skill Mod: Archery +5%
STR: +15 DEX: +5 STA: +15 WIS: +15 INT: +15 HP: +120 MANA: +120 ENDUR: +120
SV FIRE: +25 SV DISEASE: +25 SV MAGIC: +25 SV POISON: +25
Regeneration: +2 Mana Regeneration: +2
Recommended level of 67. Required level of 60.
WT: 3.0 Range: 220 Size: LARGE
Class: RNG
Race: ALL

*edit in* I really hope this is not what the "new and improved" is going to look like. Even with a 4 and a 7 for aug slots it's not that much better than a Stonewood. The only thing that makes me possibly think that this wouldn't be the new version are the level requirements on it. 60 Req and 67 Rec makes me think that there's at least one more above this. And if not, then the composite will be dropping to about 100hp/m/e and that would be a shame, since it's not really that much better than PoP bows.


Laspeera Leafblade

I think that's just another discovered recipe, since it's source is from Live on Lucy. At least I hope so. It's ratio is worse than Stonewood. Don't know why anybody would equip these bows over ones already available. It's only better in stats, slightly. I'd still take the Stonewood for the attack if I'm not a Ranger, and for the ratio if I am. It would be the best bow at level 60, but then you would replace at 61.

Ngreth, you still reading this? If that's the Plainswalker's replacement in the recipe "tiers", the Plainswalker's better morph into the best new player made bow.

Stonewood: 42/37
Plainswalker's: 44/37
This bow: 45/42

[Mineril]

I agree with Aquendar, I sincerely hope this is not the plainswalker replacement. If it is I will have spent hours farming tradeskill parts to create at great cost in time and plat a bow that is not as good as the Stonewood I have replaced.

[Creowatha]

Not sure how relevant this is but...

Drachnid Silk String Bow is groupable, indeed can only be grouped. Chest drop from Hard 69.4 mission. That's just a reply to earlier statement about best groupable bow being the evolving one from Stonebite. Have one on my rogue main (Hyacinthe), was a nice upgrade from Stonewood as my bow, though I don't normally equip it, it makes using archery rather than throwing a palatable option for pulling or ranged dmg, and I use it often.