Upcoming Cultural Changes

[Ngreth Thergn]

If you're trying to use a saved recipe, it won't work because of the names being different. Experiment mode worked fine for me.

huh? Well that is odd... it saves the recipe number not the recipe name... so it should be working... you just have to find the new name...

If you are in the guild hall move out. if not... what server? What exact components are you trying to combine (do not give a link here, actually go in game... have a browser to here open in a window or second computer, and write down the items you are actually putting in the combine, including the container)

[Kcalehc]

If you look at alot of the oow augs.... particularly the resist series, and most of the stat series, they are specifically for face, neck, shoulder, waist, and back. They are 7, 8, and 12. Its been a MAJOR frustration that I have YET to find an armor piece that these augs will fit in, that HAS a type 12 slot. If there's no armor w/ a type 12 slot to put them in, why make them type 12? It would breathe new life in to a stagnant aug type if there WAS armor to put them in.

My proposed solution to this would be to add a type 12 slot to the non-visible pieces of the old 'Blue Diamond' Cultural. So yeah ok, not every race got some to make, but every race could at least wear some, right? And it'd make them wanted items again, at least a little bit. (possibly on the whole suit would increase their value/usefulness a little)

[Nion]

I'm confused, have teh changed recipes gone in yet? I was under the impression they hadn't yet, only the names had changed, however I can't make anything using the old recipes (and old ingredients) that I've tried today.

I have also been unable to combine cultural augs in experiment mode since the patch went live.

[Unapuma]

Maybe you're using the wrong kit, or the wrong combination of water, aug, or items? I have had no trouble with experiment mode. I made several Sacred augs (formerly Master's) with nightmare arachnid silks to try and get tailoring skillup. All was done in Vah Shir cultural kit.

[Ngreth Thergn]

and no-one that has complained has given me a single detail

I need

Exact recipe
Container
Exact parts you are trying to use (exact parts... not "swatch, hammer"... but Ornate Moonglade Swatch, Vah Shir Needle... etc...)
Your race.
What zone you made the combine in
What server are you on. (these last two for possible bad data on the server)

[Liwsa]

Any announcement on when the next patch is and if the component change will be in it?

[Ngreth Thergn]

Neither. I still do not have that information.

[Grizabelle]

I know Im just a gnome but

does anyone other than me find it really confusing now that the names are not consistent between augs and armor that the aug books actually have the armor name?

I havent worked with augs much at all but I was frantically trying to find my sacred book of gnomish culture to use up the CDD and shissar scales I have been building up for a while. Ended up thinking that I must have deleted it at some point because I did the tasks for all of them ages ago, went to get a new task only to discover that the reward was an inticate book not a sacred book. Now if you are thoroughly steeped in doing cultural I suppose you might have seen the intricate book in your bank and immediately realised that was the one you were looking for but for those of us that dont live and breathe tradeskills... its a bit confusing.

With all the confusion that exists already with the quested books being for the symbol/augs NOT actually the armor, could this maybe get reconsidered? Im not real sure how this pans out with the discussed changes other than supposedly there will still be a quest you have to do to get a part to be able to do the cultural combines but if there will still be an item with this purpose it would help a bunch to be a bit clearer.

Thanks a bunch for the consideration.

Griz

[Nion]

My bad, turns out I had just grabbed the wrong items in my combine, after being confused by the new names.

[Ngreth Thergn]

does anyone other than me find it really confusing now that the names are not consistent between augs and armor that the aug books actually have the armor name?

I havent worked with augs much at all but I was frantically trying to find my sacred book of gnomish culture to use up the CDD and shissar scales I have been building up for a while. Ended up thinking that I must have deleted it at some point because I did the tasks for all of them ages ago, went to get a new task only to discover that the reward was an inticate book not a sacred book. Now if you are thoroughly steeped in doing cultural I suppose you might have seen the intricate book in your bank and immediately realised that was the one you were looking for but for those of us that dont live and breathe tradeskills... its a bit confusing.

With all the confusion that exists already with the quested books being for the symbol/augs NOT actually the armor, could this maybe get reconsidered? Im not real sure how this pans out with the discussed changes other than supposedly there will still be a quest you have to do to get a part to be able to do the cultural combines but if there will still be an item with this purpose it would help a bunch to be a bit clearer.

Thanks a bunch for the consideration.

Griz

Yeah. That is a mistake on my part I will have to fix at some point. And I will. I just have not put it at top priority. I will re-name the books (and patterns? if I did them wrong also) appropriately at some point

[maybeso1]

Yeah. That is a mistake on my part I will have to fix at some point. And I will. I just have not put it at top priority. I will re-name the books (and patterns? if I did them wrong also) appropriately at some point

Things like this, make one VERY glad that the House Ogre got the job.

I'd rather suffer a dozen small mistakes by someone who CARES than 5 by someone who doesn't. Why? Cause, the person who cares is more likely to fix the mistake.

Maybe am not saying it well, but, ya put a smile on my face, Ngreth.



TTFN,

Maibesow, Drinal

[Uuggerr]

Things like this, make one VERY glad that the House Ogre got the job.

I'd rather suffer a dozen small mistakes by someone who CARES than 5 by someone who doesn't. Why? Cause, the person who cares is more likely to fix the mistake.

Maybe am not saying it well, but, ya put a smile on my face, Ngreth.



TTFN,

Maibesow, Drinal

I agree 100% with you, and yes you explained yourself fine.

btw, any hints as to eta of the change? I just now got to 255 in smithing and was looking at starting to farm mds but if the change is this week I wont bother.

Peace

[Ngreth Thergn]

We atre discussing it a bit now, tryingt o deside on some code changes we want.

The first of 3 code changes for this were made, the only necessary one. The other two are "convenience" features.

We are using the "books to learn" method on the new recipes, and that is now done and going to QA for testing. Assuming it passes QA I could do the final steps to get the changes out, and get them tested.

But there are two issues.

#1 there is still a minor issue with global loot. Truly global loot (I.E. every zone), in its current incarnation, is currently a drain when we patch as it requires us to patch every zone when a change is made. this makes the patch longer, and more difficult and more likely to push out an undesired change to a zone, or push a change early. We are looking to get this change so fully global stuff is not a part of every zone's loot file, but is instead a single file that every zone will reference (zone specific global loot will still only be on the zone to make it have less stuff to search each time)

#2 currently the books do not give a visual list of what recipes are actually in the book. We would like to change this to give a listing of what is in the book. Though we can fake it with static text, that actually robs us of some of the space we could put text in the book and it is prone to extra errors as a manual step and being missed if something changes.

We have not decided if either of these issues is vital to us or not. At this point all the function (code - still some data we are holding onto because it would go live if we put it in, and it would be bad to have half live half not live.) we need is in game, but those two things missing still need to be considered.

[Tassrin]

Very interesting. Thanks for giving us a view into the "World of Dev".

For so many years seeing things so tight lipped from the powers that be got discouraging.

[Liwsa]

Has any thought been given to letting both the culturial as it is today and the new updated drops culturial run parallel?

What I mean is as you introduce the new culturial and all the changes, still allow the old components to work. This way as we start to get the new components and get the recipes down we can still make cultural armor. As has been said, the drops will be on a global scale NOT in one specific zone to be "farmed". Due to this there might be a lull in making new culturial armor. By allowing the "old" components to work, this would ease the transition period to the new components.

Example:
May patch, new components start dropping and new recipes available BUT old stuff still works.

June patch, "old" components no longer work. This would give tradeskillers a month to learn, farm, aquire the new drops and continue creating culturial armor.