The New Healing Potions

[Rinikku]

Beastlords are up in arms about it because it is better than what they can give.

The beastlords can also cast heal after heal after heal until they are blue in the face and do way more than a potion could ever do with a 2 minute reuse timer. I still don't think this is a valid point for keeping them out of the game. As it stands, the current healing potions are horrible for chars above level 70. There is no way that I would chose potions over a character. Beasts have never had good heals and that's for a reason. They are not a healer class. I would say their heals are more for an emergency then anything. They are a melee/dps class with a supplement heal/buff line that is an added bonus. Seriously, if we are going to keep out potions because a hybrid class is unhappy.... well.... Maybe my shammy should be able to tank like a beast then. :P (I'm not seriously saying that my shammy should be able to tank, just that it's not fair to take something beneficial to everyone away from the game because of complainers.)

[Ngreth Thergn]

Ah... So if you complain about something I should ignore it?

[Rinikku]

Ah... So if you complain about something I should ignore it?

I would say it depends on the validity of the complaint

[Ngreth Thergn]

I would say it depends on the validity of the complaint

Ah. But who gets to say it is valid.

These Beastlords certainly feel their complaint is valid.

If I have to listen to complaints about it NOT being in, then I also have to listen to complaints about it going in.

[Rinikku]

Ah. But who gets to say it is valid.

These Beastlords certainly feel their complaint is valid.

If I have to listen to complaints about it NOT being in, then I also have to listen to complaints about it going in.

I understand what you are talking about. However, here is a bit of math to help clarify why I'm saying that the beasts have no validity in their complaint.
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Salve of Feldan Rk. II BST/76 1: Increase Hitpoints by 3961 (L76) to 4001 (L80)
2: Decrease Disease Counter by 40
3: Decrease Poison Counter by 40
4: Decrease Curse Counter by 40
5: Unknown #369 (100/-18/18)

Mana: 814 Target Type: Pet
Casting Time: 3.75
Recast Time: 2.25

6 seconds between casts --> Assuming a 3min fight, can cast 30 times; however, assuming only 10k mana, can cast 12 times (47532-48012hp)
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Daria's Mending Rk. II BST/77 1: Increase Hitpoints by 1592 (L77) to 1622 (L80)
Mana: 473 Target Type: Single
Casting Time: 3
Recast Time: 2.25

5.25 seconds between casts --> Assuming a 3min fight, can cast 34 times; however, assuming only 10k mana, can cast 21 times. (33432-34062hp)
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Gemmi's Restoration Rk. II SHM/78 1: Increase Hitpoints by 3299 (L78) to 3319 (L80)
Mana: 868 Target Type: Single
Casting Time: 3.75 Duration: Instant
Recast Time: 2.25

6 seconds between casts --> Assuming a 3min fight, can cast 30 times; however, assuming 12k mana, can cast 13 times (42887-43147hp)
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Healing Potion X

1: Increase Hitpoints by 1774 to 2013 (random)
Recast Delay: 120 seconds

Assuming a 3min fight, can cast twice (3548-4026hp)
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So let's see, for the beast level 77 single target heal, they can heal approx. 33,000hp per 3min fight. For their 76 pet heal, they can heal approx. 47,000hp per 3min fight.

Shammies level 78 single heal can heal approx. 44,000hp per 3min fight (assuming no canni, so it would probably be more than this).

However, Healing Potion X can only heal twice in a 3min fight, healing for a meer 3500-4000hp. So in essence a beast could heal 10times as much as these potions in one fight. There is no way that they should be complaining.

On another note, Why can they heal their pets for more than a shammy can heal anything???? They are supposed to be half shammy. Maybe they shouldn't be able to heal their pets for so much. I honestly don't care about nerfing beasts, but I really do feel that their complaints have no ground to stand on.

[Twistagain]

I honestly don't care about nerfing beasts, but I really do feel that their complaints have no ground to stand on.

As a BST, I don't want us nerfed, either...and I still say that we have no reason to complain on this issue.

[Ngreth Thergn]

The BST are not holding up the healing potions.

They are holding up the Clarity potions

The healing potions were our own desire to look into those further because we are not sure we like the progression of them.

[Rinikku]

The BST are not holding up the healing potions.

They are holding up the Clarity potions

The healing potions were our own desire to look into those further because we are not sure we like the progression of them.

Hmm.... that's not what I had heard, but I will take your word for it since you are cool and all.

[caster66]

As a Bst...

Ok first off I play a beastlord and am quite proud of what I can do and am always aware of what I can't.

First off I have no issues with getting new Clarity potions and in fact would welcome them. I am not in groups just to provide mana regen. Besides that Bst crack provides mana AND hp regen. Another thing is that is STACKS with the Clarity potion or the chanter cast versions. Personally as a bst I keep SE Rk.II on myself as well as a Clarity pot running when I am fighting. This is even more important when solo'ing.

I have been flagged down many times by people wanting bst buffs. Necros in particular love it since it regens the hp that they are draining from themselves to feed mana. Bst crack is nice but I do not consider it a class defining trait and certainly not something I would use to justify throwing a fit about a new Clarity pot.

Also an earlier posting was mentioning about bst pet heals. The ones you gave a great examples of that type. However I can tell you that at high levels, while my pet does provide decent DPS it is not enough to simply stand back and play pet cleric and let the pet do all the work. I use my pet as added DPS on mobs I am fighting and to hold off other mobs until the one I am dealing with is dead. I use the bst equivilent of Promised Renewal. Its the only pet heal I keep up. I cast it on my pet and go back to fighting. 18 seconds later pet gets a complete heal. Our pets ARE a class defining trait where a shaman's pet under the best of circumstances is a small portable DoT that MIGHT provide the couple seconds needed to get gate off if things go bad. A beastlord is supposed to be in-tune with animals particularly our pets which is why our pet heals are decent. Notice that our player heals suck. Any group with a bst along for heals 1) needs their heads examined, 2) is about to need a cleric for a few rezzes. A beastlord can patch heal where ABSOLOUTELY needed under the most dire circumstances only. I have kept a necro kiter alive for example until he could get a couple good taps in for example.

Shamans on the other hand, if set up right can do a decent job healing. Their top heal heals for more than twice a beasts best heal. I have both a shaman and a beast so have played both classes enough to understand their weaknesses and strengths. My beast can solo tank mobs my shammy would get murdered by. My shammy can do well at healing and has some pretty decent DoTs, far better than beast DoTs by a long shot.

From the beastlord point of view I would love to have the new Clarity pots and the new heal pots. Neither are class defining traits, just something we can occasionally provide but by no means our strength.

From the shammy point of view, would love to have new potions to make. I am assuming that the tradeskill marked drops that we are currently seeing that have no known recipes are intended for them. This would be Curzon, Lucidem, and Urticaceae in that order based on where I have found each and the quantities they drop in. Curzon is dropping like halloween candy in a neighborhood of rich grandmothers, Lucidem is common but not like curzon, and Urticaceae I have only seen in quantity in high level zones off nasty mobs like the Burs.

Ok enough of that line. I WANT THOSE NEW POTIONS!!

Thanks

[Ngreth Thergn]

While there are some very polite BST's here I certainly have gotten many more not so polite responses from BST's about the clarity potions... so... I dunno what to say.

It is something I plan to bring up in meetings, but not something i can just do without working with the team.

[Ithilion]

I used to play a beast main. I only use clarity pots when i couldnt find kei or better~ Beasts arent realizing that their buffs stack with the potions..

[Veril]

I'd like to emphasise the fact that the Beastlord spells do in fact stack with these clarity potions. The potion does not replace the beastlord mana regeneration, it does in fat complement it.

[Yakk]

BST+Potion > Enc+Potion, because Potion and BST stack, while Enc and Potion don't stack.

[Bedazzlerr]

Being mainly a caster class and my main is a chanter i always welcome the beast like due to it stacks. On all my other casters as I have 3 accounts if any think the Clarity X stacks equally with kei you are wrong. No boost to your mana pool etc. In PINCH if I can not get say C3 or better on my cleric I use a potion. Not because I want to but because I have to. The mana regen is NO WHERE even close from what I have observed. Potions gave people a chance to solo stuff with less downtime, Plain and Simple. As a raid cleric if I have to use a potion I look immdiately for a Beast as I can not keep up with heals due to the mana drain and the week regen of mana. There are few exceptions put there where chanters are sought our for groups but mainly most look at them as a buff class and then off they go. With the high ac and hp we see today most tanks could care less if you mez a mob imo as it is constantly broken and tanked by an off tank. So if no chanter around group/raid have to rely on potions and beast. Increase the focus on their spell if that is a problem and let us make potion inline with the new content. No way will a heal potion come close to keeping a tank from dying or healing him so if you are a healer and feel threatened then perhaps you need to play a different class.

[Andarriel]

Hot

I just want better HoT potions. I solo usually and the X version just doesnt heal enough and im a caster. Would be nice to see them heal more.

Andarriel