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  • #16
    /sarcasm on

    Pah - there was no excuse for these lower levels to be KSing this guy - it should have been perfectly obvious to them that this was an uber level pharmer and I'll tell you why.

    The easiest way to ID and uber level pharmer is that when you do a /who of the zone, they are the anons.

    Basically, if you're in an area that's good for pharming and you see someone who is red to you and anon, then that person is atleast 50+.

    But why do these people go anon so consistantly that this is a great rule of thumb you might ask?

    (BTW - rule of thumb comes from beta version of EQ when you could attack anyone who tried to beg plat or gear off of you. The problem was that not enough beggers were being killed, so a rule was put into effect that you were not permitted to beat a begger with a stick any smaller than the thickness of a storm giant's thumb.)

    Two reasons -

    1) They know that they are big kids playing in the little kid's playground/pool and they are somewhat ashamed of themselves deep down at heart, so they go anon to hide thier embarresment.

    2) Players tend to harrass ubers when they are caught pharming an area when others are trying to (god forbid) actually XP off of the mobs in question or earn the loot in question with a level appropiate group (nothing worse in ToFS back in the old days to be fighting for your life for the uber loot that the librarian or some other mob dropped only to have some red anon breeze past you and swipe it just to resell it in Ebay Commons).

    So, as you can see, it was readily apparent to these people who were KSing this poor, unfortunate, uber level, two boxing pharming team who and what the team was, thus, this was a deliberate and beligirent attempt on thier part to grief this poor little hydra.

    SHAME on them for wanting to XP off of those level appropiate mobs!

    /sarcasm off

    I do empathise with your lack of desire to pay 20 plat a silk swatch in the bazaar (yup - that's what they've been selling for on Xev now that I need to work on tailoring - there's that karma again) assuming that you were actually doing this to skill up tailoring and not just gouge the tailors in the bazaar.

    However, both your method and morals seem to be really lacking - at your level, not only were you capable or surviving the ordeal, but as was pointed out, your DPS is suck that it would most likely have been faster and more efficient to simply kill them one by one (my buddy's 51 SK has a DPS is so obscene that he's caused anon red druid and ranger pharmers to give up trying to out pharm him - at 63 you should be able to put him to shame).

    You were hogging the zone and you were putting the level appropiate characters lives in real danger with your train - if I had a plat peice for every time someone who was pharming like you did got me and/or my group wasted due to either getting run over by the train or being close enough that a few mobs descided to jump the medding or low hitpoint level appropiate characters...

    So in summery - nothing wrong with pharming because you have to, but keep it to off hours when you aren't taking XP/loot out of the mouths of level appropiate characters or if you have to do it during peak hours, play fair about it and take a slight efficiency hit in order to play nice.

    Remember, these evil people who dared to want some of YOUR mobs are paying the same money as you are and have just as much of a right to the zone as you do - might does not make right.
    Cigarskunk!
    No more EQ for me till they fix the crash bug.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Cigarskunk
      (my buddy's 51 SK has a DPS is so obscene that he's caused anon red druid and ranger pharmers to give up trying to out pharm him - at 63 you should be able to put him to shame).
      Except...

      If he's wearing a cobalt BP, he's a warrior.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by kiztent
        Except...

        If he's wearing a cobalt BP, he's a warrior.
        You're saying that a 51 SK can do more melee DPS then a 63 warrior???
        Cigarskunk!
        No more EQ for me till they fix the crash bug.

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        • #19
          Im gonna lend my opinion here because I just spent 5 days gathering enough spider silks to make 600 Solstice robe combines. when I started the project I was useing my mage and pet to kill spiders and snakes and lions as I went along. this was VERY innefficient. So then I went to parking my mage and pet and useing my 2 boxed drood to tag every spider, lion, chasm crawler I could find. This was a little more efficient than the first method. The third iteration was to use my 55 Monk with a fungi and replenishment. I would tag again allmost anything that moved. I had my run ins with other Farmers.
          1 particular night it seemed like everybody and their brother was taggeing stuff from my pulls. and I went off on a poor noob that was actually trying to help me( he thuoght I was in trouble). I also have noticed when you get 25 or 30 mobs on 1 pull things will wander off after they get back to 100% health. what I did do while I was there was trade various cat pelts for Silks that seemed to work.
          Very few People come to EK to EXP at least not on ZEB. during the 5 days I was in EK I saw less than 15 people that were EXPing. EK is the main spot to get halfling parts for Shaman, Cat Pelts of various qualitys for various tradeskills Spider Silks in abundance (I got 2000+ swatches in 5 days 2 being weekend days) and there are a few Epic Pieces there Druid, Ranger, Mage and Enchanter(I think). the biggest thing is talk to people dont do like I did a few times and just go off on folks its funny but I actually goit help from folks when i would talk to them. just my 2 coppers on the subject.

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          • #20
            It is settled I must be strange - when I needed to farm silks (and went to EK to do it) - I took one of my characters who could actually get xp for it (and killed those dang snakes while I was at it even though the hounds were more fun).

            I guess that was off topic, but I also get annoyed by folks who decide that they own the zone when other folks are there.

            Cobalt Scar can get competitive, so when it is and I want to stay I root-rot slower and share the spawns, but eventually a quadding wizard comes by and starts AoE'ing on the mob or two actively rotting causing them to chase me at unexpected times. (or run by with Ycolvarn chasing them)

            EK gets silly and folks only go after the crag spiders driving them to extinction while the carrion spiders are all over the place and the placeholders wander freely.

            Hollowshade is by far the worst and I am glad they maded it resetable - my beastlord was never able to get far with the claw quests because the zone would never have sonic wolves in it, it usually only took 5 minutes after server rest to become owlbear central. And usually the folks in the zone are in their 60's!!!! It is still pretty silly there but at least it changes as people try and farm the war.

            What it comes down to is there are many many folks who forget we are in a shared playground or maybe they just never learned to share in the first place. Sigh....
            Distracted Druid Storm Warden of JinXed on Vazaelle

            (see that Moderator tag - well that is for the Vazaelle marketplace, my posts and opinions should not be considered as anything but my own and not reflect poorly on the folks doing all the hard stuff here. )

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            • #21
              1) They know that they are big kids playing in the little kid's playground/pool and they are somewhat ashamed of themselves deep down at heart, so they go anon to hide thier embarresment.
              Cigar, the reason people are anon in EK is 90% of the farmers are druids... and druids go anon to avoid port/buff begging. To quote Freud: Sometimes a Cigar is just a Cigar.

              No one is "ashamed" of farming, I do it because I have the right to not pay 5-10pp per silk. I have never gotten in the way of an EXP group personally in EK, though I have saved the same one 3 times in an hour when they overpulled and sent me a tell /shrug.

              hehe

              Also, citing EK as an example, no one goes there for exp.

              There is the very rare group fighting the yard trash, but it is way in BFE, and there is better exp to be had closer to home....

              Even that level 30 guy would be a farmer, the crags are light blue by then, if not quite yet green always.

              So it isn't a "little kids playground", it is a farmland, plain and simple.
              Newb Tradeskiller Extraordinairé.

              Baron Sorcerer of 62 levels and 2555 quads. Proud owner of the Sixth Shawl . Retired

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              • #22
                Except that it isn't.
                It was only a few months ago that I was farming my own spider silks and cat pelts, and there were ALWAYS a handful of appropriately leveled people hanging out in the zone. I went there again a couple of weeks ago for snake meat (before I realized I could buy as much as I wanted in Thurgadin) and ran past a few small groups that were also exping up in the zone.

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                • #23
                  Maybe server dependant...

                  On my server I have been to EK to farm once every few weeks for about 8 months...

                  In that time I have seen exactly 1 group there for exp. That time I mentioned above...

                  I have seen a few single people killing Cyclopse and such, and maybe in theory the lower level single people are also getting exp.

                  The exp is just a side effect, like when my guild goes to CT to get blood/hides, sure we get some EXP, but everyone knows we are there for the farming... and for some fun.

                  Do you really know anyone who got levels in EK that wasn't a Tradeskillers alt there to farm? hehe
                  Newb Tradeskiller Extraordinairé.

                  Baron Sorcerer of 62 levels and 2555 quads. Proud owner of the Sixth Shawl . Retired

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Cigarskunk
                    Originally posted by kiztent
                    Except...

                    If he's wearing a cobalt BP, he's a warrior.
                    You're saying that a 51 SK can do more melee DPS then a 63 warrior???
                    If I'm running flat out, my melee damage is about 60 percent of my overall DPS, but I wasn't saying anything in particular.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Delfontes
                      Do you really know anyone who got levels in EK that wasn't a Tradeskillers alt there to farm? hehe
                      Me. I did several levels in EK becuase there were plentiful mobs and merchants.

                      ~Lothay
                      Lothay retired from EQ in 2003
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                      • #26
                        Wow, that post didn't get much sympathy.

                        Only thing I have to add is that big trains aren't efficient.

                        If it takes you ten minutes to round them all up and ten seconds to kill them, you'll get to kill them all every 20 minutes (ten minutes waiting for them to respawn after you kill them, then ten minutes of rounding-up). But if you kill one at a time you get to kill each one every 10 minutes (ten minutes for respawn).
                        83/1000 High Elven Enchanter on cazic (8x300 tradeskills)

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                        • #27
                          EK

                          I spent a LOT of time in EK when I was leveling my first charcter. Lots of XP all the way up through the high 20's. Convenient merchants etc... It was a great spot.

                          Now, 3 years later, I've been in EK with my now 29 druid for about a week and a half (he started at 27).

                          I'm there to forage tea leaves. However, while I'm at it, I'm killing every spider and snake I see, and sometimes the cats as well. I have a tailor that needs silk, and a baker that needs eggs, and a blacksmith that needs pelts. *shrug*

                          At 29th level,


                          30% of Crag spiders are light blue, the rest are green.

                          Broon is blue
                          The Gnoll Chief is Blue

                          Droon is yellow

                          Thelonius Bladespur is red (he's a jaggedpine pirate and NEEDS to be killed!!! Can't slow his movement in any way though, so kite him)

                          Proon is red
                          Hill Giants are red
                          Tarbul is red

                          Bladespur was red at 27 and killable, and is still red at 29, so no idea of his actual level, but probably 32 or 33. I can't land a spell on Proon, or giants.

                          Since I'm a faction concious druid, I don't kill guards or Sir Morgan, or his lacky, etc... so as you see, XP in the zone is just about dried up at 29th level. I expect at level 30, all crags will be green, Broon and the Gnoll Chief will be light blue, which leaves me with 3 things to kill in the zone.

                          Higher than 30th level is pretty much farming in EK.
                          Balkin Ironfist (Ominous Deeds)
                          56th Myrmidon of Brell Serilis
                          Xegony

                          "Every day of my life forces me to lower my estimate of the average IQ of the Human Race."

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                          • #28
                            Me. I did several levels in EK becuase there were plentiful mobs and merchants.
                            Lothay... I hope you'll take no offense if I clarify...

                            No one this century is leveling up in EK unless it is an alt/forage bot/farmer.



                            I guess it's not really worth arguing, I know for a fact on my server any given prime time night there are 1-6 people in EK, all of them there for silk/pelts/tea leaves, and for no other reason.

                            Maybe on other servers a lvl 16 guy killing yard trash might say "Paludal? What is this 'Paludal' you speak of?"

                            Yeah, that is stereotyping, but there seriously are many dungeons with exp bonuses splitpaw/runnyeye/SolA etc. that give a ton more exp. not to mention the nearby HHP/HHK for those levels, hehe.

                            Even the low level people you see there today are there for farming, so they can sell the silks/leaves in bazaar, good plan for easy money at almost any level.

                            Thats all I have to say about that .
                            Newb Tradeskiller Extraordinairé.

                            Baron Sorcerer of 62 levels and 2555 quads. Proud owner of the Sixth Shawl . Retired

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Delfontes
                              Me. I did several levels in EK becuase there were plentiful mobs and merchants.
                              Lothay... I hope you'll take no offense if I clarify...

                              No one this century is leveling up in EK unless it is an alt/forage bot/farmer.

                              In my day we had to walk to Halas, <i>in the snow, up hill, both ways</i>! We took the boats and we liked it! You children today....



                              ~Lothay
                              ~gonna get ya as soon as I find my teeth and my walker...
                              Lothay retired from EQ in 2003
                              EQ Traders - Moderator - MySpace or LiveJournal

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                              • #30
                                hehe

                                Let me guess, no maps either, you had to find the ramp to Halas by pure luck.
                                Newb Tradeskiller Extraordinairé.

                                Baron Sorcerer of 62 levels and 2555 quads. Proud owner of the Sixth Shawl . Retired

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