Forage as an AA skill

[EnfinitiStarr8]

Well lets see, I'm a Ranger (Human of Karana, but that doesn't really matter here) so I have 200 Tracking and Foraging, I can even sort my track so I don't have green cons and I can stack it my distance just to name a few. I don't need to spend AA points there. But since I do have this and other want to get these AA points for Foraging what should I get? If only Prests get Rezs (Say 0%, 15% and 30%) do pure INT casters get the clarity line (Breeze, Clarity and C2) ? Does that mean as a hybrid I can get 1st self-only bind, then Gate and finally maybe bind other, or the full line up of level 19 Druid self-ports? I would LOVE this. It is, after all, only fair......

[sumamael]

I wanna learn to track, just imagine a tracking necro :twisted:
/dreams
/dreamssomemore

Oh well, it will never happen. :?

[Brodybeard]

I would like to see an AA foraging ability for the foraging classes that would improve their chance of foraging rare items like yew leaves.

At this time — as I understand it — a higher foraging skill only reduces the chance of not finding something when you forage.

Swimming is a skill that everyone gets, it is not a special skill that only certain classes and races get. If you start an Ogre Warrior, you won't eventually get the ability to forage or safe fall.

Exactly, that is my point. Iksar are natural swimmers, and thus start at 100 swimming. Other races have to start at zero, but eventually are still able to learn to swim as good as one.

Erudites suck at foraging, and start with no ability whatsoever... so why is it that they can not learn to forage... are you saying that a skilled Master ranger at the ranger guild couldn't show me how to find simple berries on the ground and know which ones are edible?

As an Erudite starting with 137 or so INT it is offensive to me that you feel I am unable to learn to 50 or so in foraging.



I would argue that any skill realistically can be taught to a limited use... safe fall is just learning how to bend your knees etc.

I am not for or against this, I am just saying logically it can be taught.

[Keridwyn]

/cheer Phabos

[Woodeckt]

I have to agree with Phabos. I chose my class race because that was what I wanted to play.

People seem to think we hit the forage button and up pops that rare forage. It can take hours even at 200 skill + 10% modifier for me to get enough of the items I need to do combines. If

I have taken many members of my guild to forage parties that I sponsered and Payed them for their time and it took 4 of us 8 hours to get enough tufts of fur to make 2 stinking bags. People wonder about costs of items that we make but do not think how much time we have invested and I am not counting the time to get to the skill level to make them.


It is not ohhhh I need 36 tufts of fur I will pop to GD and run to Thurg and then click 36 times and have them.

As far as other race class that want to forage make a mule get a forage machette and go for it.

[Serenya]

Think of it this way. Your average wood elf, druid or ranger (and even bard) is very aware of her surroundings, thus spotting that small sylvan berry tucked in the shade of a larger shrub, or that leaf that cups just right to hold a bit of water. A barbarian warrior? Well, odds are he stepped on that berry and smooshed it into the ground, he certainly wouldn't just notice it as he went by, he would have to be actively looking for it. And even then, well, odds are he's none too bright, and instead of that lovely edible mushroom over there he picked the one next to it that just happened to be a deadly poison. Umm, oops.

Alright then, but what about a high elf cleric? They worship Tunare after all, surely they can learn to forage! Ah, but unlike the tree climbing wood elves, the high elves follow nature in a much more intellectual manner. Sure, they can identify 10 different varieties of berry once they've been picked and cleaned, but what high elf is going to get his hands dirty digging it up himself?

Perhaps you've gathered that I think an AA ability to forage is a bad idea :P. Frankly, I don't like the idea of any of the 'class or race defining' skills being available as an AA, are you going to ask for track next? It certainly would make farming those silks and skins easier for the tailors and smiths! Or perhaps that ranger should be able to learn to backstab?

[Lilosh]

Very well put , Serenya.


-Lilosh

but what high elf is going to get his hands dirty digging it up himself

Or Erudite for that matter?

You are most correct, let the inferior vermin dig around the ground, I shall just buy the cleaned product of their labors.

As for safe fall, my delicate feet seldom touch the ground with O'kiels Levitivity, so what do I care?



/bow

[Sanna]

First thought:
"ooooooooooooooooooo, be able to forage specifically for something......"

Second thought:
"ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooo, forage for oak bark!"

Third thought:
"0_0. Kithicor flooded with high druids/rangers all specifically foraging for
that [swear] oak bark. Bazaar prices rocket."

Fourth thought:
"[snicker] Druid/Ranger Wars in Kithicor. Bazaar prices will eventually/kinda-soon plummet as market floods."


Also, keep in mind that (at least from the point of view of a couple of new-20s) AA points are not that cheap. And there's a who~~~~~~le lot of stuff to spend them on. And not everyone funnels a lot of xp into their AA to begin with. My 50s roomie didn't even turn on her AAxp until halfway to 53, and only after I pestered her for a solid week (no joke), dangling the promise of upping her base Wis 5pts. And it takes, what, 3AA for 1 Wis? When you gather at a mere 10pct, one AA takes a merry little while.

So, for a, say, Eruidite wizard to gain even a little bit of foraging skills would take a long time. First of all, she'd have to be 51 min. That takes about 5 months of SOLID-STINKING gameplay. (My roomie has no life, and I'm sacrificing mine for this game.) Then, you have to be willing to give up some level xp in exchange for AAxp. (Personally, once I hit 51, 90pct of my xp is going into AA. I will be at 51 for [swear]ever, but I will be AA-rich. ^_^)

Then, you have to decide what you WANT. Increase Base Stat? How many times? New Tannan Craft Mastery? (Anyone know where my first, um, 18 AA pts are going???) Get a spiffy title? Increase Spell-thingy? Increase Innate FillInTheBlank? Oh, by the way, want to learn to Forage, too? You won't be able to get that skill so high, and it will cost 3/6/9/20 AA points, but you can get it. Um, my wizard wants more Int. That's 15 AA. Now my wizard wants a title. That's anywhere from 3 to a whole lot of AA. Increase Spell-thingy. (Who can tell I'm pestering my roomie to open up her AA box and she's not?) That's a lot more AA. Now my wizard wants to run faster. Spend some AA. Now she wants this, and that, and the other thing, and now that I'm 65 and have just about everything ELSE that AA can buy, maybe I'll get me some Foragin'.

The point of my totally ficticious wizard is that a high majority of people will want to get a lot of other stuff first. Now, I would love for my monk to be able to forage so she wouldn't have to buy food (my druid has never actually bought ANY foodstuffs for the purpose of eating it in it's pre-baked form). But I do recognize that it is a class/race limitation.

My druid is gonna throw out a LOT of AA on New Tannan and Up Base Wis, and then Up Spell-thingies, and then a title, and then we'll see. My monk is all about the Strength and Running, yo, and then we'll see. So even IF they were to impliment an AA-bought Foraging skill, it would indeed go only so high, and not everyone would have it.




But oooooooooooooooooooo, to be able to forage for certain things.... or even a little tracking-like box where I could only cut out foraging for certain things...... Maybe chose to not forage for one certain thing by spending one point, two things with the second point, three things with the third.... To know that that little purple stackable thing I just got is for sure a Fruit and not a [swear] Berries, oh, I would love Verant forever.

Or maybe just for a little while. ^_^

Crikey, I must be lonely today, I'm writing too much again.

In all honesty, I'm mixed about the main idea, to even have AA-Forage or not. I can see the benefits, I can see the drawbacks. (*Wants to smaxxor some newt/evil rangers in Kithicor now... mwahaha....*) IF it ever implimented, it should be COSTLY, and cap low. Whomever said it was right; how hard is it for a monk to pick up some fruit off a tree in passing and munch on it? But then, if everyone could do everything, what's the point of being anything?

oooooo.... AA-Tracking... let druids even just track by distance.... even if I
still had to look at allllll those greens, I'D BE HAPPY! OH SO HAPPY!

(and no, i don't [swear] this much in real life, promise. ^_^)
(*STILL wishes her monk could Gate in a pinch*)

[Twofury]

Well, 50 forage isn't really that usefull at all. I play an iksar so i have 50 forage, that means i get something about avery 7 or 8 tries. doesn't really help at all.

However i think it is a nice idea, after all, AA was implemented to give people more options with their characters. So people who want it can buy run speed and others can buy base-stat_001 or whatever

[Cantatus]

Serenya summed up some of my thoughts on this pretty well.

Perhaps it's not that your character can't forage, but they don't want or need to. Would an Ogre that runs around eating just about everything it can get its hands on (unless it wiggles ) really want to be running around picking berries and fruit? Would an intelligent Erudite really want to do something so "beneath" them when they could purchase or make much finer foods?

I mean honestly the logic that you should be able to do it b/c you learned it from other characters could be spread to just about any aspect in the game. I'm sure I've hung around Warriors enough to know how to swing a sword at an orc to knock it's head off. I'm sure I've hung around Rangers enough to learn how to fire a bow. However, these are not the things my Enchanter wants to do b/c he wishes to use magic as a defense instead of using offensive weapons.

[Bennan]

The Locusts of Norrath

*Coughs* \tap tap is this thing on ?

Hobbits, yes Hobbits. We are the one Race that has been forgotten when it comes to foraging, we should be omgphatlewtzforagers masters, and this is why;

We eat non-stop, I go through so much food its insane. We live to eat, you think with so much (deserved) hunger, we would of learned to spot a Berry at 100metres through dense fog and five trees.

We are close to the ground, we can't help but be on the same level as food items. Note Dwarves have big guts, and huge ass beards and can't see nothing, and Gnomes, have the eyesight of an 80 year old Human (and wrinkles).

First thing any new Halfling does, is stumble around Rivervale and end up at the JumJum farm, and what do we do. Oh lookee a bag on the ground, its our first forage, then we go outside to Misty, and what happens we find Misty Acorns on the ground.

It surrounds us, and is part of our culture, we are always picking up things, always.

And that is why we should have foraging.

Authors note, failure to agree may leave your fridge empty when you wake up next morning...

The End.

[Brodybeard]

Oooooo... it would be nice if a AA forage ability could reduce the time between foraging attempts. It takes about two minutes for the "forage button" to refresh. Pumping AA points into the AA foraging ability could do something like this:

Forage Time: 120 seconds --> 90 seconds --> 30 seconds

[Quinner Sparrowhawk]

Ahem

Och, ye don need ta be calling us Northmen stupid! We jest don wanna be scratching threw tha dirt like yew woodsey peoples. Tha snow is mooch ta cold fer that sillyness. And who would be wanting silly red berries anaway?