What feature would you like on EQTC.

[Ngreth Thergn]

How about a Icon to go with searches...
For searches with 10 or so results Happy dwarf with full mug...
For searches with over 10 results Dwarf peeking over row of mugs...
For searches with over 100 results angry dwarf looking at a bar tab...
For searches with no results Sad dwarf looking into an empty mug...

Try initially with brewing based searches, and then if you get it to work with other tradeskill searches, make other icons for other trades.

For search engine down...dwarf flat on his back passed out like my sig toon.
For search engine/db being updated and unavailable...4 gnomes with tools dragging passed out dwarf out of the pub...or an ogre.

Though it is a cool idea, I think I will pass on this as it is just "fluff" thanks for the idea.

Tips of the Day icon- Shady halfling whispering out side of his mouth- Bubble holds tip and link of the day.

I think we will pass on this as too much work We would have to come up with a couple hundred tips :/

Hot Topics from message board -top ten newest posts or hottest topics (most posts/most views) Elven smug herald with a gnome beggar at his feet, elf reading scroll...bubble to side with links to hottest topics/most recent.
(I think I can get the php code for that from my college board - see front page here http://www.miamihawktalk.com/index.shtml if ye donnae know how, I can get ye an intro to board op for der.)

I have seen vbulliten hacks that can do this... but they take up even MORE real estate on our very crowded boards... I will think about it.

[Sanna]

At Sanna's request serverwide.eqtclinks:eqtclinks has been created. if you joine expect spammage

And MAKE SURE tunare.tyking is in the channel.
Preferrably /before/ you link 3 merchants worth of items.

Oh crappity... patch today = clean merchants. I think this is the first time I've ever been sad for clean merchants. Oh well, heh.




The artwork idea sounds hilariously cute, but yeah, tis fluff.
Still makes me wish I could draw worth a penny. ^_^

-- Sanna

[Zaephod]

Updated the thread in general with new info. Please check to see if tyking is in the link channel. If he is try to link as many different items as possible. As of this posting the DB is up to 1759 unique unauged items.

[Aryse Andenter]

Maybe I missed a discussion on it somewhere, but have you thought about adding a tribute value line to items the way there is a buy and sell value? When I'm skilling up the tribute value influences my item choices a lot, and especially if I could see it compared to the merchant buy value right there it would be super helpful.

[NerissaGoldenrose]

Two things I'd really like to see:

First, I'd like to see an option to turn off optional sub-combines in the printer-friendly version of a recipe trees. For example, if a recipe calls for a flask of water, I'm MUCH more likely to go spend the 1s at any of a number of merchants than hunt down the foraged pods of water, I don't need to see the recipe for a flask of water in the tree for the final item. (And if several sub-combines also use water, I certainly don't want to see it every time.) Similarly, the various bricks/blocks of clay & ore can be made of other sizes, or can be found themselves -- if the item is available (via merchant or drop) in its final form, I'd like to skip the optional ways to make it, and get straight to the heart of the recipe. Perhaps some sort of indicator that there are ways to make the item if you can't/don't want to find it in its final form would be appropriate (such as a different style of bullet, maybe).

My second suggestion may not be feasable, and will certainly be more difficult. The pottery recipe list currently shows the unfired item as a sub-combine of the finished item. From a logical/database perspective, that makes sense, but that means when I sort the list by trivial level, everything just gets thrown together because the firing trivial level is the same. I'd much prefer to be able to sort it by the trivial level of the *unfired* part, since that's the part that's going to determine my chance of success and whether I may get a skill increase. I would suggest being able to filter out the finished items, but I'd like to be able to see which type of firing sheet I need if I ever do want to actually fire an item. Since this only really applies to one trade, I don't expect that it's something you're likely to do... but something to think about anyway.

[Ngreth Thergn]

Two things I'd really like to see:

First, I'd like to see an option to turn off optional sub-combines in the printer-friendly version of a recipe trees. For example, if a recipe calls for a flask of water, I'm MUCH more likely to go spend the 1s at any of a number of merchants than hunt down the foraged pods of water, I don't need to see the recipe for a flask of water in the tree for the final item. (And if several sub-combines also use water, I certainly don't want to see it every time.) Similarly, the various bricks/blocks of clay & ore can be made of other sizes, or can be found themselves -- if the item is available (via merchant or drop) in its final form, I'd like to skip the optional ways to make it, and get straight to the heart of the recipe. Perhaps some sort of indicator that there are ways to make the item if you can't/don't want to find it in its final form would be appropriate (such as a different style of bullet, maybe).

unfortunately this is WAY subjective. How does the computer know it is "optional"?

My second suggestion may not be feasable, and will certainly be more difficult. The pottery recipe list currently shows the unfired item as a sub-combine of the finished item. From a logical/database perspective, that makes sense, but that means when I sort the list by trivial level, everything just gets thrown together because the firing trivial level is the same. I'd much prefer to be able to sort it by the trivial level of the *unfired* part, since that's the part that's going to determine my chance of success and whether I may get a skill increase. I would suggest being able to filter out the finished items, but I'd like to be able to see which type of firing sheet I need if I ever do want to actually fire an item. Since this only really applies to one trade, I don't expect that it's something you're likely to do... but something to think about anyway.

will ahve to think on it. pottery is a mess.

[Sanna]

RE: knowing optional.

I'd hazard to say that there are few enough of these recipes that they could be (somehow) manually marked.

The print-off for the SolEar was /huge/... because it got into metal bits... which got into tarnished/rusty conversions... and /all/ the recipes for CEs...

I know I know nothing of the coding, but perhaps there's a way to put a 'stopsign' on it... "if not calling for this recipe directly, do not show any ways to make this item" ie for clay and ore... or "only show one way to make this item" ie for metal bits, CEs... ie only show celestial solvent+ScentMarr, not ALL OF THEM.

I don't think there would be a way to 'automatically' do it, it'd have to be hand-done and no I don't know how and i wish i did.... but it would probably be worth it, not to mention a bandwidth saver after a point. How many pages are called up that have to reference all the CE recipes or all the sub-ore recipes, or such.

not easy, no. but almost definately worth it.





and now that fewer and fewer recipes have unknown trivials, ie that returning allllll the 250+s aren't really a problem... what about the ability to search for unknown trivials? (Are there even enough left to make this worth the coding?) If it were done by Unknown Baking, Unknown Brewing... Unknown Dwarven Cultural... it might not be too bad on the server.
If it's needed at all.
Not to mention the same type of coding might be manipulable to find other pieces of missing data... "return all items/recipes with no data in ThisSlot."

-- Sanna

[NerissaGoldenrose]

Somewhere in there, you've got Sources listed (i.e. This item can be Vendor Purchased or foraged or dropped from mobs, along with relevant additional information such as zone(s) & merchant names/locs). Would it be tough to check to see if there are any non-recipe sources for the item, and if there are, then flag it as an "optional" sub-combine?

[Ngreth Thergn]

Somewhere in there, you've got Sources listed (i.e. This item can be Vendor Purchased or foraged or dropped from mobs, along with relevant additional information such as zone(s) & merchant names/locs). Would it be tough to check to see if there are any non-recipe sources for the item, and if there are, then flag it as an "optional" sub-combine?

Well, yes and no

It is posible.

but.

That procedure already hits 4 tables to do its work, adding sources would add 4 more table hits doubling both the procesor hits and the amount of time taken.

So no, it will not use that method. BUt thank you for the sugestion.

[Ngreth Thergn]

RE: knowing optional.



I know I know nothing of the coding, but perhaps there's a way to put a 'stopsign' on it... "if not calling for this recipe directly, do not show any ways to make this item" ie for clay and ore... or "only show one way to make this item" ie for metal bits, CEs... ie only show celestial solvent+ScentMarr, not ALL OF THEM.

Actually. I have something for it. And somewhere (maybe in the mod area, I am not sure) I asked for items that should be added to the list, but got silence :/ so... nothing much has been added since I implemented it. It is a little less detailed... it just plain does NOT show chosen recipies in the complete list... it instead marks them as "utility items" (we also wanted to come up with a beter phrasing for it... but I have lost track of that thread too!!)

It would be MUCH MUCH MUCH harder to have it "only show one choice recipe: in some cases (CE) and no recipies in others (ore) so I chose the second of no recipies for choice recipes.

and now that fewer and fewer recipes have unknown trivials, ie that returning allllll the 250+s aren't really a problem... what about the ability to search for unknown trivials? (Are there even enough left to make this worth the coding?) If it were done by Unknown Baking, Unknown Brewing... Unknown Dwarven Cultural... it might not be too bad on the server.
If it's needed at all.
Not to mention the same type of coding might be manipulable to find other pieces of missing data... "return all items/recipes with no data in ThisSlot."

-- Sanna

At this time I have no plans to make such a feature for public use. Maybe admin only use, but it would be a late on the list thing

[KyrosKrane]

Ngreth, if I may suggest, tag any store-bought item with subcombines a utility item. This includes pretty much all non-enchanted pieces, bricks, and blocks of ore, water flasks, several types of brews that can be player made (but are usually bought), poison vials, etc.

Other good candidates, as I previously suggested, include celestial essence (already tagged), leather padding, and anything that has more than four or five recipes that make the same item.

Also, any player made tool that is returned on both success and fail (for other combines, of course) is a good candidate. Files for smithing and baking utensils like frying pans, pie tins, muffin tins, casserole dishes, etc. are all candidates.

You mentioned that doing the check dynamically would increase the load on the server. Doing it once for the update, though, shouldn't be too bad.

[Tudani]

Here's the utility item thread.

http://mboards.eqtraders.com/eq/showthread.php?t=15304

[Sanna]

And somewhere (maybe in the mod area, I am not sure) I asked for items that should be added to the list, but got silence :/

I didn't see that thread at that time, did I? ^_^

I vote for "Excessive Recipes".

Name of Item - EQTC-DB#

Water Flask - 1001
small piece of ore - 1119
loaf of bread - 1135
small piece of velium - 1208
small brick of velium - 1226
small piece of acrylia - 1260
block of clay - 1300
large block of clay - 1301
small block of clay - 1302
low quality bear skin - 1373
medium quality rockhopper hide - 1380
large brick of velium - 1441
low quality cat pelt - 1481
medium quality bear skin - 1484
low quality wolf skin - 1485
large brick of acrylia ore - 1544
low quality rockhopper hide - 1562
small brick of acrylia ore - 1565
small brick of medium quality ore - 1891
large brick of medium quality ore - 1892
block of medium quality ore - 1893
small brick of ore - 2017
large brick of ore - 2018
block of velium - 2112
small piece of medium quality ore - 4486
medium quality wolf skin - 4841
medium quality cat pelt - 4844


oh dear... I should go through and find the numbers/names of all the cultural metals... it'll dump all the block/large/small conversions at you any time you need any size.... too tired. I'll do cultural metals tomorrow. If you even want.
So, um, please tell me if you would want before I crawl through everything... brellium, adamantite, mithril... steel? No i guess i got that already...

At this time I have no plans to make such a feature [for searching for unknowns] for public use. Maybe admin only use, but it would be a late on the list thing

Highly understandable, esp the public use part. Not everyone needs or would even want to use it. Just a few. Esp if Zaephod's data gets meshed into EQTC, it would be very useful for those who are, um, a tiny bit obsessive about such things.

*looks at the above list*

Not that I'm obssessive.
Not at all.


-- Sanna
not at all.

[Leewei]

My own idea for improvement would be posting a link to a success rate calculator using the formula from the FAQ. Allow a user to enter their skill, plus any modifiers (5/10/15/20%), and the trivial point of the item they want to craft (this can be passed via the hyperlink along with item ID). The result could then show on a page similar to the printable recipe page, along with estimated item cost (and even factored into the estimate).

[Ngreth Thergn]

My own idea for improvement would be posting a link to a success rate calculator using the formula from the FAQ. Allow a user to enter their skill, plus any modifiers (5/10/15/20%), and the trivial point of the item they want to craft (this can be passed via the hyperlink along with item ID). The result could then show on a page similar to the printable recipe page, along with estimated item cost (and even factored into the estimate).

well we do ahve a calculator on site...
http://www.eqtraders.com/calculators/main.php
and it was agreed by the comunity that EQTC would not be able to do pricing estimates in a manner they felt was usefull.
http://mboards.eqtraders.com/eq/forumdisplay.php?f=93
So...
the one idea to pull from this is a link that passes through the trivial point. Much information would still need to be entered in every time, making it less usefull, especially since I am avoiding cookies and logins.

Thank you for the sugestion