Hurricane Chain or Plate Desirability

[Astroshak]

Re: My thoughts

Gloves > coif > vambraces > boots - Skip bracer, Tunic, Legs

Those should be the best sellers give the stats and no really good alternatives. Most wear Tae ew for legs / tunic, so they won't sell. Boots are a posibility depending on the Shaman, but might be good for the Ranger / rogues.
wyrmbane

Forgive me if I'm posting something someone else already said. As a ranger, I would not get the Hurricane Chain Boots. At almost the same AC (couple less) I can get Barbed Dragonscale Boots, which have STA instead of the DEX/WIS/MANA of the Hurricante Chain Boots.

[Eumerin]

The AC on the Shinguards is fine. For comparison, look at the Velious era plate armor. Shining Greaves, the paladin quest armor from Kael Drakkel, has an AC of 35. Scaled Knight's, the paladin quest armor from Skyshrine, has an AC of 31. So while the Shinguard AC is low compared to cultural armor, I think its the cultural legs that are out of line in this instance (with a higher AC). And the Shinguard really isn't that difficult to get (its not very far in), either, so the AC and low stats fit.

The gauntlets have an awfully high AC. No argument there. I think many plate classes would be quite happy with them.

What I do find odd, however, is that you say that "mail" by definition means "chain", and then complain because darkmail armor doesn't match up to cultural plate. Even by your own definition, the appropriate comparison for this armor is chain armor, and yet you complain because it doesn't match up to the ac on blue diamond plate armor.

Compare the Darkmail tunic to the Stormreaper Chain Tunic, and you find the same AC on both pieces. Furthermore, anyone who can wear the Stormreaper Chain Tunic can also wear the Kylong Darkmail Tunic. These are clearly the two pieces that should be compared, and not the Stormreaper Steelwoven Breastplate.

As far as pricing goes - its new gear. It'll drop soon. The last time I checked the price of Shinguards, they had already dropped to one third of the previous asking price. I'm sure the other armor will soon follow.


And as far as the definitions go - when in a game, where balance is involved, ultimately words in the name DO mean nothing. Its the stats that count, along with who can use it. It doesn't matter if its called a "Fine Silk Shirt". If only plate classes can use it, it will be classified as "plate armor" because that's the definition that matters to people playing the game. Its those classes that need to evaluate its usefulness, not the cloth "armor" classes.
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[Reflan]

What's so fine about the shinguards having so much less AC than cultural? I fail to see the fine-ness there.

When you say that cultural armor is somehow out of line as far as the high AC, you are reiterating the point I wanted to make. Cultural is notably superior for the most part. Not just the legs though -- pretty much all of it. If it's out of line in some way, all of it is, not just a piece or two. Kylong seems to vary in quality quite a bit between the nice pieces and the dull ones.

I'm not sure where your idea comes from that I am "complaining" when I say kylong seems not to measure up. I was merely pointing it out, mostly regarding plate, as that is what I make and that is what I am using to equip my shadowknight.

If anything, I'm quite happy it doesn't trounce the cultural plate I make except for arguably the gloves. If it did, I wouldn't have sold 80k worth of cultural a couple of days ago, and I wouldn't be selling any more in the future at all, perhaps ever.

My cultural chain is mostly total crap since good chain drops so often in PoP on the one hand or people can just wear cheap Tae Ew for two of their most important slots on the other hand, so as my cultural chain is unsellable anyway, I don't personally care how good kylong is for chain classes. I can't complain that it is cutting into a market spot I don't bother trying to fill. (Tae Ew sells for about break-even to costs on my server, considering failures even at 250 plus trophy.) Yes, all in all, I've nothing to complain about when it comes to kylong. On the contrary, I'm grateful.

I am a little startled at some of the prices I've seen on my server, but already I've seen them start to shoot down almost catastrophically in some cases. Gloves went from 25k to 13k-15k, for instance, in a week. The tunic sells for sometimes as little as half what the tae ew chain sells for, and the legs sell for a bit more than half to maybe 2/3 what my cultural plate sells for. The gloves sell for a a fair bit of change still, but my cultural gloves aren't good enough to sell anyway, so I don't face any market competition there.

Anyway, people are starting to recognize the limited value of the things quickly, I think. I was kind of surprised people would spend so much money so quickly on the pieces in the first place without checking that their money was well spent -- talking to people, doing bazaar searches, scanning the net, whatever. I mean, I could see equipping your character with things you got for free even if they are inferior to things you could burn money on, or paying a whopping price premium for things that are superior, but...buying inferior things at a whopping price premium?

The lure of the new, I guess.

[Eumerin]

The "fine" point that I'm using for my baseline is the high end Velious quest armor (i.e. Skyshrine and Kael Drakkel) that the Cultural plate is generally compared to, or is often considered slightly inferior to (due to the lack of stats on the cultural plate). While most of the pieces have an AC that's roughly in line with the Kael Drakkel armor (which is slightly superior to the AC on the Skyshrine armor), the cultural legs are noteable because they have a markedly higher AC. Thus I consider the Cultural legs to be one of the most optimal pieces from the cultural sets. So the fact that the shinguards (which are very easy to get) don't measure up to the Cultural legs is unimportant from my PoV. They measure up with what I consider to be the baseline (well, not really, since the stats don't match, but the shinguards are also much easier to get than what I consider to be the baseline).

And once again, of COURSE cultural plate is superior to the rest of it (disregarding the gloves, which are far superior to the rest of the gear). This is armor that rangers can use. If it were on par with cultural plate armor, then rangers would be running around with AC 51 chest pieces, which kind of defeats the purpose of differentiating between plate classes and chain classes, doesn't it?

[klurt]

I have made quite a few Hurricane platemail pieces. If I recall correctly I am now 5/7 on Hurricane plate BP.
Also made a few (4 or 5) Hurricane chainmail pieces. went 100 percent on them.

Also a friend of mine asked me to combine some Livestone chain pieces.
I made the BP 1/1, vambs 1/1 and bracer 1/3. Phew lucky on BP, always good to make failures on items having less components!

All in all i'd say that the PoP smithed items have a higher success factor than cultural, I'd estimate it at around 60-70% with max smithing.

BTW I sell Hurricane plate BP's for 24k. Those are prices which are in line with other prices on Rodcet (wind-worn chestplate around 35k, cultural BP's do 10k). For the drops of pure rain I pay between 1k and 1500pp, add in the success factor and there's a nice markup. Only limit nowadays is that people are holding on to their 'precious?' Electrified copper, used to buy them from vendors but can't find them anymore.
Now and then I make and sell Night terror plate BP's, price for them is around 14-15k.
Cultural armor I sell from time to time, but I try not to 'oversell' and kill my own market. Of course the same goes for PoP armor.

Klurt Klonk
250 grandpa smith
Rodcet Nife.

[Reflan]

Actually cultural plate has great stats. High AC and hitpoints, depending on the cultural. The stats it tends to lack are in saves, and sometimes in INT/WIS.

You seem to be remarking much more on reasons for everything. My original post and my present point are simply pointing out that kylong is highly overrated at present.

[Eumerin]

While I don't disagree that it is overrated (presumeably because its brand new), I do disagree with the useage of cultural plate (as opposed to chain type armors) as a comparison for the stuff.

That's the whole reason for my string of posts.

[Reflan]

Well that's because I've seen people get excited over the kylong shinguards who are not chain classes, but would wear them as an alternative to cultural plate, even though the cultural plate is superior and sometimes around the same price or cheaper. My warrior friend is wearing them right now, and I think he's silly. The gloves are better for plate classes than my cultural plate gloves too...but I don't know about 15k or more more better. Guess I just find the feeding frenzy on whatever's new kind of funny when people should know better before they start throwing their money around.

[Kosari]

Hurricane

I made a few poieces of hurricane chain.

Sold some boots for 7k, arms for 10k. At the moment Ive had some boots sitting waiting to sell for like a week at 6k. The arms took 3 12hr days to sell.

Dont think much of hurricane.

Kosari - Drinal

[xaanru]

Seems like the experiences we are having on PoP armors are varying quite wildly. I have tried but a mere 8 pieces of PoP plate armor, and no chain, so take this as what COULD be a very lucky run:

Hurricane Plate BP 4/4 - sold all 4 for 17-18k (pure rain is about 700pp on rodcet nife)

Hurricane Plate Gauntlets 2/2 - wearing one, sold the other for 8k, after it didn't move at 12k for quite a while

LIVESTONE PLATE BP 2/2 wearing one, still trying to see what the market will bear on the other.

I should note that I sold all 4 of the breastplates before the Architect's Bejeweled BP started dropping. Those go for around 10k on Rodcet, and are killing the market for about everything except for fierce heraldic for chest.