Loam Drop Rates

[Marcis Black'Haven]

CURSE YOU SOE!!!! thank you VERY LITTLE for nerfing the piss out of porous loam drops... I just spent 300K due to COMPLETELY RETARDED nerfing of drops to FAIL at an elegant chest combine. all the nerfing did was make sure plat farmers stay rich, high end guilds/players stay that way and the rest of us get SCREWED as usual...[insult removed]!!!

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[Vilforn_Majel]

I would argue that the developers don't have a clue.
I've seen silk/pelts drop from humanoid models.
I've seen ore drop from animal models.
They make changes without knowing the specific impact it will have to the game, aside from "more" or "less" drops.

What's been said in the forums and what happens in the game are different things. Ngreth may "think" that he knows how things work, but what he's saying and what's happening are not the same things. (No, this is not a personal attack, just a fact)

The TS ingredients should be dropping from mobs that are proportionate to the level of the ingredients. (i.e. Tin Ore should be VERY low level mobs. Whereas Tantalum Ore should be dropping from very highend mobs.) Tin Ore dropping in Ashengate is rediculous, and this is just one example.

Why is is so difficult to "map" the ore/loam drops to the apropriate zones/mobs?
Why is it so difficult to correctly set drop rates? First ore is dropping WAY TOO OFTEN, from the wrong mobs, now it only drops from Tier 3 zones, and even then the drop rate is rediculously low. Porous Loam is virtually non-existant.

I know my opinion is not popular around here, but I really don't care what people think of me. I would like to see the drop rates be "realistic". They've done a good job of going from "fantastically easy" to "fantastically impossible". How 'bout if we shoot for "doable"?
I don't want to make a fortune selling Elegant armor, but I also don't want to spend every Plat that I have to acquire a few pieces.

[mulleteer]

I have been hunting in T2/T3 for the last several days with a full group of TSS raid geared folks. We kill an easy 40-50 mobs an hour for several hours at a time. So far we have looted about a dozen Tantalum Ores, 2 Exquisite Spinnerets and NO loams of any type.

On EMarr Porous Loam, when it's for sale at all, is 1,000,000pp each (that's one MILLION plat). And, it's price has been steadily rising over the last two weeks from 300K about two weeks ago. I don't see it coming down significantly in price, ever. Most of the cultural gear for sale in the bazaar is held by the big names that are always selling only top end stuff for retarded prices. At this point, it's better to camp zone rares and sell the drops (whose prices *are* steadily falling as more people take this path) than to hope to farm your own drops for cultural gear.

Alkalai Loam isn't available. Seems it's all getting turned into augs, plenty of Exalted Symbols for sale (30-80K each).

Acutually the exalted augs are being made mostly from tailors i believe on emarr. Alkalai loam is seems to have become very rare. The number of exalted augs has decreased greatly. ON the server. Alot of the ones that are on traders are the 80k ones that are not selling after people saw them for 30k less then 2 weeks ago. They won't pay the higer prices.

Mulleteer

[Roanne]

Near as I can tell, the rarity of Alkalai Loam is related more to the right content not being farmed.

The problem is by "the rules" Porous Loam *should* be dropping as a primary table from the tier 2 SoF zones based on mob level. It looks like it has been restricted to tier 3 and 4 SoF zones only by an exception to the normal rules. My best guess is Porous Loam has been removed from the global loot tables and placed in zone-wide loot tables for the tier 3 and 4 SoF zones only while it remains on the global tables as a very rare drop where tier 12 and 13 cultural drops are the norm.

It further appears tier 12 cultural drops (where Alkalai Loam should be dropping) were not substituted in the tier 13 cultural zones affected by the exception for Porous Loam so we are only seeing the tier 12 drops in those zones when we get the "one tier below" drop per the global loot table.

I can anecdotally confirm the drop rates of tier 13 cultural remains reasonable in tier 3 SoF zones. My groups there usually see 1-2 per hour of farming (assuming youre killing humanoids and not clockworks), although I can also anecdotally say the drop rates between loams, marrow, and fluids have not been adjusted correctly to reflect the higher need for loam v. marrow and fluid (still see fluid or marrow as often as we see loam even tho it should acount for more than 50% of the drops by class distribution).

I can also confirm tier 13 ore, skin, and silk still drop at the usual rate in tier 2 SoF zones so it seems just the loam, marrow, and fluid were restricted which is why its so hard to figure out whats going on.

Of course, the only use for now of Alkalai Loam at the moment is to make exalted symbols.

As usual, the reactive stance of "game balancing" seperates the haves from have-nots on the basis of those who play EQ full time and got the drops in early v. the casual players who take longer.

Why do we even have beta testing? Oh yeah, so the top raid guilds will already know the expansions before they go live.

[drhoads]

Acutually the exalted augs are being made mostly from tailors i believe on emarr. Alkalai loam is seems to have become very rare. The number of exalted augs has decreased greatly. ON the server. Alot of the ones that are on traders are the 80k ones that are not selling after people saw them for 30k less then 2 weeks ago. They won't pay the higer prices


On luclin the average price of Alkalai has gone up. I would say the average price two weeks ago was around 11k -12k and now its more like 14-15k though I still find the occasional 10k Alkalai selling. ATM its the Porous thats seems supper rare. Today; Sunday there was alot of Exquisite Spinnerettes and Exquisite Marrows for sale the the price reflected that with prices in the mid 250k range to 300k range for both but only a couple of Porous Loams still over 300k

Extalted Augs are mainly limited to the most popular races and Dieties like Growth but very few if any at all for many Dieties. Ive tried to take advantage of that by selling some Augs for Dieties other then the popular one or two and have had success but the Alkalai Loam I rarely see on my own forays and the volume for sale is probably double Porous Loam but thats not saying much considering how few Porous are out there.

Ive put a limit on what I will pay for an Alkalai at 12k so with the average price going up its harder and harder to find it for sale in that range.

The Augs themselves vary depending on the competition if any. If there is more then one seller for a specific aug the price is usually between 20k - 25k if no competition the price can be from 20k on up to 50k or so but I dont see those selling at the 50k price just Like I dont see the Alkalai loam selling for 15k as there has been a seller with 10 Alkalai for 15k for the last week and hasnt sold one that I can tell.

[Khaymn]

I think Ngreth was yanking our chains when he stated that he changed the drop rate of them.
We thought he INCREASED the drop rates....when, in fact, he DECREASED them.
You can NOT stand there, look into our eyes and tell us you increased them Ngreth when there is even fewer of them droppin now than ever before.
Reminds me of the saying "pissing on someones back and telling them it's raining".

[Aldier]

I think Ngreth was yanking our chains when he stated that he changed the drop rate of them.
We thought he INCREASED the drop rates....when, in fact, he DECREASED them.
You can NOT stand there, look into our eyes and tell us you increased them Ngreth when there is even fewer of them droppin now than ever before.
Reminds me of the saying "pissing on someones back and telling them it's raining".

While I agree the drop rate is a bit low, can you show me where Ngreth said "I am increasing the drop rate of Porous Loam". I believe what he said is he is "adjusting the drop rate to appropriate levels".

Now you can argue that what he feels is the appropriate level is too low, but I do not recall him saying specifically they would be increasing. I could be wrong and with the 3-4 different threads on all this same topic just on these forums I could have missed it.

[Wyvernwill]

I've seen Porous Loam, Exquisite Marrow and Exquisite Spinneret Fluids drop from Gnomes, Brownies and Minotaurs in Steamfactory over the last week. Are they common? Not at all, but they do drop. In grinding around Mechanotus over the last couple weeks for various quests (top part) I saw a lot of the the Tantalum Ore, Exquisite Silk, Exquisite Animal Pelts, but none of the rare parts at all.

Regarding the earlier post regarding Tin Ore, that was a bug that has recently been fixed to my knowledge. When mobs normally drop the exquisite level stuff, the small chance of getting a level higher was actually reseting to the "next level up" which became the lowest level due to nothing higher. Goofy, I know, but *shrugs*. I haven't seen it happen since the patch that adjusted the metal drops.

As for the Alkalai level drops, best place I found to farm them is the goblin fort in Loping Plains. There are some other mobs in Dragonscale that should drop them as well.

[Ngreth Thergn]

I think Ngreth was yanking our chains when he stated that he changed the drop rate of them.
We thought he INCREASED the drop rates....when, in fact, he DECREASED them.
You can NOT stand there, look into our eyes and tell us you increased them Ngreth when there is even fewer of them droppin now than ever before.
Reminds me of the saying "pissing on someones back and telling them it's raining".

If you look at what I said, I said I changed the RATIOS... I said nothing about the RATE, except in a few places where I said the rate went down or was corrected.

Nowhere did I say the RATE increased.

I said the RATIO changed.

This is the loam/marrow/spinneret.

Ore went up, and silk and pelts went down. But these are not the rare stuff, so not as important to the conversation.

[drhoads]

Not sure what to make of it all I just know the number of Porous Loam for sale in the bazzar is 1/3 the number of spinneretts and about 1/2 the number of Marrow for sale. At any given time you might see 3-4 total Porous loam selling and often just a couple selling still over the 300k mark.

With double the amount of spinneretts and marrow selling and the prices coming down to as low as 200k at time gratzz the Taliors I guess.

[Ngreth Thergn]

Well, that can still be leftovers from when the ratio was different.

so there is a stockpile of the marrow and spinneret that has to be "cleared" before you see changes in the bazaar.

[Kemie Dreamshadow]

Not sure what to make of it all I just know the number of Porous Loam for sale in the bazzar is 1/3 the number of spinneretts and about 1/2 the number of Marrow for sale. At any given time you might see 3-4 total Porous loam selling and often just a couple selling still over the 300k mark.

With double the amount of spinneretts and marrow selling and the prices coming down to as low as 200k at time gratzz the Taliors I guess.

On my server I see the opposite. Very, very seldom has a search for "exquisite" turned up ANY marrows or spinneret fluids, while there is usually at least one porous loam for sale (albeit at an extremely high price).

[Vilforn_Majel]

Not sure what to make of it all I just know the number of Porous Loam for sale in the bazzar is 1/3 the number of spinneretts and about 1/2 the number of Marrow for sale. At any given time you might see 3-4 total Porous loam selling and often just a couple selling still over the 300k mark.

With double the amount of spinneretts and marrow selling and the prices coming down to as low as 200k at time gratzz the Taliors I guess.

Try 1 million, yes I said MILLION plat for a Porous Loam on CT server.
425k+ for Exquisite Marrow.
410k+ for Exquisite Spinneret Fluid.

Twice the classes, twice (or more) the price.
Clueless I say, clueless!

No wonder World of Warcraft has 10X the subscribers. (Or is it 100X now?)

[Thalos]

Prices will always be pushed to the extremes while people see how much they can make on new stuff. Give it a couple of weeks of something not selling at a price and it will drop, give it a couple of months and more and more cultral is made and in use and the demand will drop further lowering the price. Also at the moment this is some of the best armor around since the highest raid content hasn't really been opened up, so it's going to have a huge premium on it. As long as no one is buying at 1 million pp the price will drop, if people have the plat and are willing to spend it then the pricing is correct in a open market.

This gear should be rare and expensive.... it's good stuff.

[Gorse]

Try 1 million, yes I said MILLION plat for a Porous Loam on CT server.
425k+ for Exquisite Marrow.
410k+ for Exquisite Spinneret Fluid.

Twice the classes, twice (or more) the price.
Clueless I say, clueless!

No wonder World of Warcraft has 10X the subscribers. (Or is it 100X now?)

There is a separate spot for primal screams, there is no need to drag them to the open forums.

As for prices on your servers, that is driven by players not Sony. The market is driven by what peope will pay. Just because you don't have the means to buy the items does not mean someone else won't.

If you don't want to pay the prices listed in your bazaar find another way to get the parts you need.



Gorse