Loam Drop Rates

[Fudapuda]

As for prices on your servers, that is driven by players not Sony. The market is driven by what peope will pay. Just because you don't have the means to buy the items does not mean someone else won't.
Gorse

Good example: On Bertox right now, there is a vendor (I'm not going to name names, but he's easy to identify if you are on the server) who is trying to corner the market on the stuff: any loam/marrow/spinneret that comes up for sale at less than 500k, he jumps on, buys, and reprices at 500k.

All I can say is, if people are stupid enough to pay it, power to them. Eventually the market will level out.

[Chernoble]

Good example: On Bertox right now, there is a vendor (I'm not going to name names, but he's easy to identify if you are on the server) who is trying to corner the market on the stuff: any loam/marrow/spinneret that comes up for sale at less than 500k, he jumps on, buys, and reprices at 500k.

All I can say is, if people are stupid enough to pay it, power to them. Eventually the market will level out.

Hopefully (Crosses finger) that people are sensible enough NOT to pay those ridiculous prices. Eventually if no one buys from him then he will have a uge stockpile and no PP left to buy with then he will have to BUY more PP from the cool websites or sell off his inventory at a reduced rate.

[Vilforn_Majel]

There is a separate spot for primal screams, there is no need to drag them to the open forums.

As for prices on your servers, that is driven by players not Sony. The market is driven by what peope will pay. Just because you don't have the means to buy the items does not mean someone else won't.

If you don't want to pay the prices listed in your bazaar find another way to get the parts you need.



Gorse

WRONG! Prices are totally driven by availability, which is completely controlled by Sony. If there is large quantities available, people will not pay outrageous prices for items, but when there are only 1-2 items available at any point in time, the seller can command whatever price they want. Then you end up with only the plat-farmers that can afford these prices.
Think before you speak. Or go back to your basic Economics 101 class.

Originally the high-end TS items (Ores, Pelts, Silks, Loams, Marrows & Spinnerettes) were dropping way more frequently than Sony wanted. They nerfed (badly) the drop rates, and now the TS items are extremely rare. (evidently now working as intended, since Sony is doing nothing about increasing the drop rates)

Also, the majority of the discussion surrounding Porous Loams has revolved around making armor with the Loam, but it has never been mentioned (that I have seen) that Porous Loam is also used to create Symbols (Smithing) and Elegant Charms (Jewelry). This further increases the demand for the elusive Porous Loams.

[Kross]

WRONG! Prices are totally driven by availability, which is completely controlled by Sony. If there is large quantities available, people will not pay outrageous prices for items, but when there are only 1-2 items available at any point in time, the seller can command whatever price they want. Then you end up with only the plat-farmers that can afford these prices.
Think before you speak. Or go back to your basic Economics 101 class.

Originally the high-end TS items (Ores, Pelts, Silks, Loams, Marrows & Spinnerettes) were dropping way more frequently than Sony wanted. They nerfed (badly) the drop rates, and now the TS items are extremely rare. (evidently now working as intended, since Sony is doing nothing about increasing the drop rates)

Also, the majority of the discussion surrounding Porous Loams has revolved around making armor with the Loam, but it has never been mentioned (that I have seen) that Porous Loam is also used to create Symbols (Smithing) and Elegant Charms (Jewelry). This further increases the demand for the elusive Porous Loams.

the availability has more to do with the server population and progression more so than "sony" in this case. i think that ngreth has good ideas for mob types and the new tradeskill direction, however the mobs don't match the tables and will need more adjusting like hes said a few times. the porous loam drop rates now are almost non existent on some servers because no one is killing golems in crystallos.

bringing it up in a civil manner will get more of a response...

[Fenelenla]

Ok This is messed up

Ok I have heard many people complain about the drop rates for the loam and all, the Item you are makeing with the Loam is Level 75 required and 79 recomended and the items to make this drop from only level 80+ mobs in teir 3 zones I am sure I am not the only person thats is like why.
As is stands now we have armor that is 65-69 then a jump right to 75-79, what happened to the people that are 70-74 did you forget about them. Ok I am not in a huge raiding guild, My guild raids Demi, I have been to some of the teir 3 zones and I am not a shabby tank I have some nice HP and Nice ac But dear lord the only people that could have a chance of farming these freakin mobs are the guys in gear that wont even use the stuff. I hate to sound rude but do you all think of those of us that have been playing sence 1999, and Yes I have came back after every deployment to Afgan and Iraq, But now I am starting to have second thoughts, when they made the DoN cultural armor its was hard to get some drops yeah they dropped in the Nest and in What ever the zone the creator mission was, those where zone that where between the level of the armor being made and now i have have armor thats a good upgrade for me a at level 75 and I cant even make it from killing mobs that are level 75 for peets sake either stick in something for us like say darn 70-74 armor of work with us on the darn drops for the 75-79 armor and make it drop from the level of mobs that are in the items level range, Or for peets sake make it level 80 only dont tease us lower level players with this and then say to heck with you. Thats about as Nice as I can be without cusing and I hope I havent say anything bad to anyone not meaning to offend anyone. I just think that there needs to be some changes, major changes. Cause well I for one feel very very cheated.
Fenelenla Bladedancer
Level 79 warrior On Saryrn

P.S. Something else you could do also make the armor no trade, this will cut down on the hated plat farmers, cause I know SOE dont like them and will make the world a better place cause well people will have to get there own darn skillz up to make there own darn armor.

[Kintai]

As is stands now we have armor that is 65-69 then a jump right to 75-79, what happened to the people that are 70-74 did you forget about them.

Ngreth said there was armor sets coming for 70-74 are coming, but no ETA.

P.S. Something else you could do also make the armor no trade, this will cut down on the hated plat farmers, cause I know SOE dont like them and will make the world a better place cause well people will have to get there own darn skillz up to make there own darn armor.

So you plan on making no drop armor, forcing anyone that wants it to skill up their own tradeskills? Horrid plan. I'm up to 2700 TSs over 2 toons, and I'll be ****** if I'm going to do it again for my alts of other races. Plus how else are we supposed to recoup the 9 mil plat dumped into raising tradeskills.

[mulleteer]

I have always thought the best piece of armor a smith or tailor should be no drop. Kindof on the lore that from forgoten realms that a tradesperson would make one great work.

What it could be is elegant for us and the new lvl 75 set for the masses.

This would put even more meaning to skilling up and also reduce the need for the incoming nerf. Since the whiners could no longer say the lvl 80 stuff could be purchasted from plat sellers.

Mulleteer Combover

[Adropt]

I would be interested to know if there have been changes on Test to the drop rates of porous loam recently.

The last couple of days I spent around 15 hours camped in my usual spot in S.H.I.P. In that time I got 0 loam, fluid, or marrow. Now I may be having really sucky rng, but 15 hours, killing primarily humanoids, at a rate of around 40 mobs/hour and not one drop?

Anyway, if any other Test players are reading this, I would appreciate their feedback. Or if Ngreth could confirm they are currently not dropping, so I don't spend another age there farming something that isn't actually there.

Oh, this is not a new camp btw. I have previously done the same camp and used to net a loam roughly once every 1-2 hours, or so.

[Ngreth Thergn]

I have made no changes to the drop rates.

[Ngreth Thergn]

Ngreth said there was armor sets coming for 70-74 are coming, but no ETA.

This is only true if it is decided to make a change to cultural.

if we make no changes well, then there are no changes. If people insist that it is a requirement to keep the broken overpowered armor then there is no room in there to add the 75 without making changes. No changes = no changes.

[Kintai]

This is only true if it is decided to make a change to cultural.

if we make no changes well, then there are no changes. If people insist that it is a requirement to keep the broken overpowered armor then there is no room in there to add the 75 without making changes. No changes = no changes.

Fair enough

[Adropt]

I have made no changes to the drop rates.

Thanks for the prompt update.

I wouldn't have normally bothered, but I believe it was originally said any changes would be pushed and evaluated on Test first. This, coupled with the fact we very rarely get notified of changes on Test, the numerous recent patches and my freakishly bad streak over a long camp period at a previously known camp, I was beginning to wonder if drops were restricted, or changed in some way.

Anyway, I can happily go back now and bore myself silly again at this stupid camp again.

[Fenelenla]

Ok So now we know there is not going to be a 70-74 set of armor, and that the Plat farmers are the ones in control of the bazaar, we can all assume that well no time soon are the average players going to be able to really get the Cultured armor so I guess we the average player are screwed, thats a ton

[melkorr]

Right... because Ngreth is totally out to spite all of us...

Your 65-69 armor won't survive until 75, will it?

Nor is saving you're old raid gear from a nerf going to help you at all.

The changes were major nerfs to old gear, and based on complaints from high end raiders who had yet to see high end raid gear from the current expansion.

What exactly are you complaining about?

[Leana]

Ok So now we know there is not going to be a 70-74 set of armor, and that the Plat farmers are the ones in control of the bazaar, we can all assume that well no time soon are the average players going to be able to really get the Cultured armor so I guess we the average player are screwed, thats a ton

1. So far, no decision has been reached on the armor, so far as I know.
2. Plat farmers don't control the bazaar. It is really tiresome hearing people who haven't put out any effort to earn money in the game imply that people who have it bought it from out of game sources. Money is easy to get playing the game.
3. If you have a tradeskiller who can make this armor, you should be able to afford to make it. I have made about 5 million on sale of exalted symbols since this expansion came out.
4. This is tier 3 armor. You should be able to hunt in tier 3+ zones in order to get the rare materials to make this armor at a reasonable rate. That is currently the case.