LDoN sales

[Cedir]

Originally posted by Barli
Don't be fooled by high prices!!

Most all LDoN armor pieces can be made from 50pp (bracer) to 105pp (breastplate) with a good CHA. (No failure price and assuming you farmed your own temper component).

If you're getting 1K for an LDoN breastplate you are making a big profit!!!

Exactly. If you're selling this stuff, which is a very low fail rate, for 10 to 20 times the cost of production, you are going to have karma issues, not me.

[Caliburn]

Prices WILL come down eventually regardless. However, it's called "what the market will bear," and you have folks who have more plat than I will ever see as a moderate player. Trades are the only real way I've made anything to buy myself my own items. If I can afford something I buy it, if I can't I wait til the prices drop. Same thing as a seller. But once prices are set low they never go up and the trade loses it's ability to earn a player plat as was the intent of trades in large part. To encourage player-to-player interaction, and an actual economy.

As an example, I have been tailoring since the game was released and have yet to break 200. I was the first Master Tailor on my server when Tailoring was real hard and made some cash that way. But never had enough to power skill, and never wanted to ruin another player's chance to make some plat the way they want to.

[Iilane]

Hmm.. my experience has been the opposite. I have placed several Calcified and Gothic pieces on my bazaar mule and so far not a single piece sold. Even when I priced it down to a price point where comparable armor has half the ac and stats (Eg, sarnark emblazened tabard), it still didn't sold.

[Saleani]

There is already someone selling calcified bp and legs below cost on Luclin (70pp for the BP). No one appears to be selling the ringmail other than my bazaar mule, but then my bazaar mule has not sold any either. It is either unknown to players at this time, or its not wanted by players. Time will tell. Currently, I am making them for skill ups. I wish my guildies were saving the items used to make tempers.

It is a lot more exp and fun crawling around in the dungeons getting the temper parts for these armors than manipulating the Hollowshade war.

[YurienStonebow]

ok i got a question concerning the sales. i saw someone mention they were gonna try sellign ti @ 19p/AC. that sounds good but i wnated to ask. going buy this and knowing that each type ahs a different main stat, would 19p/AC be good for the wis armor or would it be more for wis? enter your opinions

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[Iilane]

Each server's economy is different so theres no way to peg a figure for a piece of armor across all servers. What I would suggest is to use your server's bazaar to gauge the price of comparable armor. and price according to that.

For LDoN armor, I find that Acrylia plate and chain are very close in both AC and stats so I've used those as a gauge to set a price for my LDoN armor.

[KyrosKrane]

I imagine the WIS armors would be very appealing to clerics, as they don't need the AC of better armors as much as tanks would. The double augmentation slots also mean they can put in additional +wis or +mana augments (do those exist?) on the armor. Paladins would also dig the armors, as would warriors who do tradeskills and want the extra wis. They'll probably be hot sellers.

The Int armors would be popular for Shadowknights and maybe Bards, for the same reasons.

The other armors ... I'm not sure. The ones with +AGI could balance some Validus Custodus armor, which almost always has hits to AGI but is otherwise quite nice.

Again, I'm going to wait and see how fast these sell before I decide on final pricing.

[Caliburn]

What I do, just as a starting point, is look at the market for similar items. For the BPs I looked at similar AC BPs with some stats and found they were mostly 1-2K. Then taking into account 2 augs, figured 1 to 1.5 K might be a place to experiment.

The problem with selling at cost at start is not just to those of us who like trades, but the whole related market. Sell these at 100 pp and suddently thousands of items that drop also become worthless. There are folks that rolled on that stuff (or farmed) and thought here I can make a few plat for myself and now they too get nothing.

I think that the comment about folks not knowing about this stuff is probably true. Too bad we can't put augs in and THEN sell them. What would an AC 27 +16 wis BP sell for do you think? Or AC 27 +11 WIS with Regen?

[Celdil]

The only problem with listing cost to produce is that it assumes you farm your own drop components. Many don't do that, and as such, their cost for tempers alone may be much higher than the rest of the items combined. That is their prerogative, of course, as it is the prerogative of those who do farm their own components to price their pieces accordingly.

The one odd thing I read was the post that stated that someone is already selling below cost to produce on one of the servers. Last report I read showed that resale of finished pieces to NPC vendors was only a few plat below actual cost of materials. If that is still true, what would be the motivation to sell at less than that in the bazaar? Or has the buyback from vendor altered?

*disclaimer* I've done absolutely NO work on any of the new LDoN recipies yet, and as such have no data I've verified. Everything above is based on my readings of other threads in this forum

[Cedir]

They sell to vendors for about 20 plat less than they cost to make. Basically, the resell price is the same as Fine Plate, and they have the same ingredients as Fine Plate *except* the Superb Leather Padding.

So, in effect, you lose the cost of the SLP in each successful combine.

[Ladnia]

I've made a few of each type, and put them up in the bazaar for around three times what it cost me to make them (bp costs ~100pp, so I sell them for 300). Now I have also made an exception with the sandblasted pieces because I'm of the opinion that they're better than some of the other droppable gear that's readily available. For exampe, on Vazaelle, sebilite scale leggings go for around 1k-2k depending on the day and so on. I've been pricing the sandblasted greaves at 600 as I see them as a better option for a cleric or paladin. A lot of people on Vaz have baby clerics and paladins, and they're nice mid-level gear.

I have been farming my own temper components, which hasn't been too hard for me even though I'm not a foraging race/class. I've just been asking for them with any group I'm on, and folks are usually willing to give them to me. If they're not, then I move on, no biggie. Vendor mining has also netted me a nice stash of tempers.

I've been able to sell a few pieces of the other lines, but the sandblasted is going like hotcakes. I can't keep enough of it around. I also think that the additional aug slot (once enough people see the advantage it is) is going to keep these pieces marketable for a long time. The prices may drop, but I think they'll still sell with no problem.

[Ariene]

I put a full set of Gothic on my trader at 250p per piece except for BP 800p and legs 500p. The legs sold nothing else moved. Made a visor in each type and the Sandblasted was the only one to sell - can't remember if I priced that at 250 or 300p. I wasn't the first one to market so I just matched the other person but I think the prices are about right.

I'm guessing the non visible pieces are going to be the best market. Gothic visor is great for warriors - there aren't many face items with 10AC in a low price range. Sandblasted is great for clerics or pallys and the int for the bards and SKs. I really don't expect any dex or agi sets to sell, however the goblin bones (AGI set) are the most common drop (Rujarkian Hills) so go there if you want to use it as a skillup path without worrying about reselling.

I wish this stuff had HPs/Mana on it even if it was only 5/5 and 10/10 on the BP. I think it really hurts our chance to sell it without. When I search for items for my cleric, I never search for wis - I search Mana. If I were searching for a melee, I'd be searching HPs. I think it will take a while for people to figure out this is available but once they do I think the STA/STR, WIS and INT sets might have a decent market as twink gear if they are priced afordably.

EDIT: Sold the Gothic boots for 250p which surprised me but nothing else so far. Already had to lower the BP price to 600 due to competition. I ignored the person selling one for 350 and price matched the next lowest. Why do people start so low? Wait, don't answer that or this will end in rants.

EDIT 2: BP prices are still falling on Bristlebane but the rest is selling although slowly still at 250p. Sold another visor today. Not going to keep updating this since I know prices and even demand are server specific but wanted to let people know that the stuff DOES sell... there is a market for this so don't give up and vendor it all. I'm still going to vendor the DEX and AGI ones I think... but I'm going to find a full merchant so that people can't buy it from that vendor. The STA/STR, INT and WIS pieces are going on my trader.

[Caliburn]

Throwing in the towel...

Oh well...as of last night a player had stacks of most types of BPs up at cost. Must be nice to look forward to being able to make even tougher items at no profit! ;-)

[merkell]

The market on Brell is pretty much in the trash can already.
So many people using them for skill ups and finding tons of the stuff on vendors.
Vendors sell BP for 95pp, greeves 95pp and the rest lower.

[Kolotha]

Update

I've sold 20-30k worth of LDoN armor on stromm now. Not too much competition, or at least very little organised competiton. I generally sit around in the local auction and global chanels spamming WTB Sand verbena Gargoyle granite Pondweed Goblin bones and ice lichen, then make up 5 sets of armor and sell em in the bazaar. Prices for Calcified 150-250 per piece, Frosted 200-300, Gothic ring mail and plate 275-500p, Sandblasted 400-600p. Very little Deep cavern sold as there are very few Pondweed to be founf for sale.