Lvl 80 and 71-75 spells

[Eanelder]

I was shocked to discover today that the level cap will increase to 80 with the release of November's expansion. (http://everquest.station.sony.com/)

So, its been said several times now that once the level cap increases, we'd most likely be seeing researchable lvl 71-75 spells.

Is this still the case?

[Maevenniia]

"So, its been said several times now that once the level cap increases, we'd most likely be seeing researchable lvl 71-75 spells"

You forgot one word.....eventually.

Typically, the ability to research a tier of spells comes a few expansions later. It might be too soon for the 71-75 tier.

Also, in the listed Features of the SoF expansion, new tradeskill recipes is NOT mentioned.

[maxpower]

since the lvl increase time frame is being cut in half(roughly), one could assume other time frames are being cut as well. ie making these spells researchable. if you go by a few expansions later(typically 4?) and the announcment of 1 expansion a year, then they dont become researchable til November 2009. i for one hope they become researchable this November.

[Wyvernwill]

The other side of the coin Maev... lvl 66 to 70 became researchable immediately with the level 75 increase.

The level 80 increase is coming a year earlier than normal, and it really wouldn't surprise me to see that research and the level 80 cultural armors show up. Just because they don't state there's new tradeskill recipes doesn't mean that there will be absolutely no tradeskill recipes at all.

[Eanelder]

ok, well... im putting in my vote now to make all RK III spells reserachable (even those that werent available through rune turn ins but do exist within lucy).

It would be the same recipe as the RK. II, but have an additional. RARE ingredient (along the lines of Highland Sludge), which would determine the rank difference.

[Maevenniia]

Raiders would have an apoplectic fit, lol.

I vote yes

[Ngreth Thergn]

yeah. It would have to be a raid drop to dp RKIII spells :/ Or rare enough to cause screams of agony when failures happen because I would certainly NOT lower the trivial in any way.

I am not sure yet which spells are being done. we did not plan on TSS yet, but I may need to depending on what happens.

[Eanelder]

Raiders would have an apoplectic fit, lol.

I dont know about that, by then these spells will be 5 lvls old and the RK 1s of the lvl 76-80 will probably be available on vendors again so raiders shouldnt feel the power difference between the 2 groups are diminishing.

Besides, the new spell ranking system, and making spells available on vendors is going to hurt the research tradeskill since Rk 1's are on vendors and lots of rk 2's available in the baz. Research recent strength has always been harder/impossible to aquire spells available to everyone (GoD spells, lvl 69, 70,LDoN). I really do think it would be a shame to make just RK2 available.

Also, when the new spells do become available, expect to see quite a few more researchers hit 300, Checking the baz last night I could have easily have bought 400+ papers to attempt combines, not to mention the 1000 or so I already have banked. At 1-10pp a piece, most wont have to worry about making their money back.

[Konjure]

Raiders would have an apoplectic fit, lol.

There are some who will always throw a fit no matter what happens. But I think they should be researchable from common drops. In any case I already have them so I don't care.

Why? With a very few exceptions there is practically zero difference between rk. 1 and rk. 3 and in some cases it can even be argued that the Rk. 3 is worse.

So might as well hand em out easily and make people happy.

[Wyvernwill]

The biggest down side with Rank 2's is that the overwhelming majority of them are already for sale in mass amounts and a good deal of them are sub 5k. The nice part is that papers are cheap and easy to come by.

*shrugs* Now if the TBS spells were made researchable... now that would mean some nice money influx.

[Zacatac]

There are a lot of other spells to add before TSS though.

What about DoN, DoDh and PoR spells/auras, etc.? I'd want to see those get in first before skipping all the way ahead to TSS.

Or will most of those fall into the "Quested" category, and never be researchable?

The biggest down side with Rank 2's is that the overwhelming majority of them are already for sale in mass amounts and a good deal of them are sub 5k.

I wish that were true of the 4 different magician summoned items spells. They run 100k-300k each. I think I'm the only mage in my guild that has all 4 spells (we have 5 other mage mains).

[Wyvernwill]

Side note: I did say "majority". Some spells like the Rank 2 group buffs go for considerably more as well. The minor need spells or the ones with minimal difference between RK1 and 2 tend to go for very little in general.

As for the mage summoned spells... they are a different beast entirely as they are not vendor purchased at all, and only drop from one or two areas in the game. Their value will plumet like no tomorrow the day they are researchable.

[Bobaten]

The mage spells are all around 100k on Prexus. Tenacity (both versions), Talisman of Foresight, Dire Focus (both versions), Elushar(both versions), Hastening of Ellowind all sell for that much or more (some of those have people in /buyer mode offering 200k). While I would love to make rk. III spells, there is certainly a large enough market for rk. II spells (especially if people move to new zones for xp and don't get them as drops anymore).

[Eleena Transient]

there is certainly a large enough market for rk. II spells

For now. However, when cleric_04 can go pay 2k and buy the level 76 symbol rank 1, do you think there will be anywhere Near the demand for the rank 2 or even rank 3 of elushar?

[Strokker]

yeah. It would have to be a raid drop to dp RKIII spells :/ Or rare enough to cause screams of agony when failures happen because I would certainly NOT lower the trivial in any way.

I am not sure yet which spells are being done. we did not plan on TSS yet, but I may need to depending on what happens.

Admit it big guy. You just like the screams of agony no matter the level of the screamer.../grin