Lvl 80 and 71-75 spells

[olhoss]

On a related topic, I am hoping that there are crafted augments for focus effects. The ones that are appropriate for my level are either on subpar gear or on gear that is not available to most of the player base. I know they have talked about fixing this issue, and I would hope that a combination of tradeskills (kind of like omens augs) could be used to put focus effects on some new augments that are actually attainable (not like with this 75K pp scoriae).

Imagine making a hp, mana or resist aug which can have Mana Pres VI added to it. Make the components reasonably farmable and you solve the problem of the focus effects and encourage people to play in the new expansions.

I think much like DoN was a corrected version of LDoN, I think the new expansion could be a corrected version of Omens.

[Wyvernwill]

For now. However, when cleric_04 can go pay 2k and buy the level 76 symbol rank 1, do you think there will be anywhere Near the demand for the rank 2 or even rank 3 of elushar?

If they stuck us with Rank 1 only research, it wouldn't be worth the cost or effort to make the spells as Rank 1 spells are already extremely available. On top of that, given that you have to get a group dropped item and the cost to make the spell (solutions, etc) would mean that in some cases... the cost/effort to make a spell is far more than it is to buy the spell from the vendor.

However, Rank 2 spells will sell. This is already well known fact because people are constantly shelling out 100s of K on the bigger spells (ie, Symbol of Elushar rk2 and Tenacity rk2).

The problem, however, is that there are a lot of RK2 spells already floating around the bazaar at low prices. This might resolve itself in the fact that people will not be hunting those zones as much anymore, but who knows. It's all purely speculation.

[Frontallobe]

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The problem, however, is that there are a lot of RK2 spells already floating around the bazaar at low prices. This might resolve itself in the fact that people will not be hunting those zones as much anymore, but who knows. It's all purely speculation.

Just as in level 50-60 spell research, there are spells worth researching and some not due to their commonality (low bazaar price) or usefulness. The same applies to PoP, GoD, and LDoN spells. and I suspect future researchable spells.

With the move to yearly expansions, I sure hope the November expansion at least includes includes DoN, DoD, and PoR researchable spells.

[Wyvernwill]

I highly doubt that we will ever see DoN, DoDh or PoR Spells being researchable due to their stance on making quest received spells researchable. I believe it was said no in the past, but maybe they will change their minds here soon.

[olhoss]

one thing about quest spells though is that the quests become a lot easier once the levels/abilities get better. For example, imagine a party of 75's laboring through the 4 NRo missions to get the cleric his/her RGC.

[Bryko]

I doubt Rank 3's become researchable on the basis that Ancient spells are not researchable.

[AB-girlie]

TSS spells.. rank 1 you can buy. rank 2 are tradable,and often the rank 3 is not that much of an upgrade if you look at it mana vs. dam (if its a damage spell)

making rank 2 spells researchable would be nice,but it seems that rank 3 is supposed to be availble only for the hardcore raiders. fair enuff ) rk.2 is fine for me

[Eanelder]

I doubt Rank 3's become researchable on the basis that Ancient spells are not researchable.

Ancients and RK 3 i would have to say are 2 differnt beasts.

Ive never been expected to loot 15 ancient spells.

[shoogie]

I have to agree. Rk 3's are very different from Ancients in that there are so many more of them.

I am hereby putting in my vote for please make Rk 3's researchable with an extremely rare dropped component similar to the highland sludge drying powder. 90% of the Rk 3's 71-75 spells will be made completely obsolete by their Rk 1 level 76-80 upgrade anyway.

--Shoogie

[Bobaten]

I had a random thought today:
In a few months, we will start a beta.
Ngreth will tell us what spells we should be able to research, and then the beta players will start trying to figure out recipes. Eventually we will work them all out.
Then in November, the expansion launches.
Beta players tell everyone else what spells can be researched, and then everyone else starts figuring out recipes.

Due to the systematic nature of the spell research system, is there any reason why we could not get a jump on the process and figure out the recipes for DoN-TBS spells should be right now? We all know that Dev time is one of the major limiting factors on how much tradeskill work can get implemented, and the time required to come up with the recipes for a couple hundred spells is not trivial. Doing the leg work ahead of time ourselves (that we will end up doing anyhow) might increase our chances of seeing more spells (and more time for other tradeskills to get recipes too).

[Bryko]

Rk3's are in line with ancients as a raid only type spell that is an enhancement to an existing type of spell as opposed to a completely new spell altogether. Ancient spells don't give you a function that you didn't have before, just an improvement to an already existing function. Of course, rank 2's do that too, but rank 2s are obtainable via group. So an ancient is generally a slightly better spell of an already existing function, which is obtained via raid, which matches what rank 3s are. Quantity is only a by-product of the system and even then, how many people actually have all rank 3 spells? Same question to how many people have all ancients from past expansions?

If Rank3's are researchable, make all ancients researchable. If ancients are not researchable, then leave Rank3's as they are. And for the record, no, I'm not a TSS raider.

[Bobaten]

There are some ancients that work as you describe, but in many cases ancients are an additional spell that you use in conjunction with non ancients, not instead of non ancients.

[Ngreth Thergn]

Ancients and RK 3 i would have to say are 2 differnt beasts.

Ive never been expected to loot 15 ancient spells.

do any classes actually have 15 RK3's? (well maybe with TSS AND TBS...)

[Wyvernwill]

I believe casters do.
Casters iirc have 25 TSS RK1/2 spells, and 15 RK3 spells.
Hybrids have 15 RK1/2 spells, and 8 RK3 spells.
Melee have 5 RK1/2 discs and 2 RK3 discs.

[Eanelder]

do any classes actually have 15 RK3's? (well maybe with TSS AND TBS...)

Maybe it was 13 for casters ... been a while =P