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    There will be 3 new Spell Research books available. I am not transcribing the exact text of the books here. Using the Systematic Research system introduced in DoDh, plus the new hides or parchments, we will be able to research LDoN and OoW spells.

    Systematic Spell Research: Hides

    Systematic Spell Research Addedum: Paper

    Systematic Spell Research: Summoned






    LDoN spells:

    Basically, there are 10 types of "Raw" hides (they will be mob drops, ex: Raw Stiff Hides dropped off the bunnies in the newb meadow, that can be treated in 5 different ways to create different grades of hide. There are 10 different vendor-sold "___ Hide Solution"s, that are used alone or in conjunction with Celestial Solvent or Lye and/or a Skinning Knife to treat the hides.

    The 10 hides in ascending order of "importance" (ie from lowest to highest) are:

    Raw Stiff Hide
    Raw Crude Hide
    Raw Rough Hide
    Raw Hide
    Raw Fine Hide
    Raw Supple Hide
    Raw Runic Hide
    Raw Fine Runic Hide
    Raw Supple Runic Hide
    Raw Fine Supple Runic Hide


    The 10 solutions that are already on the Live vendors are:

    Stiff Hide Solution
    Crude Hide Solution
    Rough Hide Solution
    Hide Solution
    Fine Hide Solution
    Supple Hide Solution
    Runic Hide Solution
    Fine Runic Hide Solution
    Supple Runic Hide Solution
    Fine Supple Runic Hide Solution


    The 5 treatments are as follows:

    (plain) "___" Hide = Raw "___" Hide + "____" Hide Solution

    Cleaned "___" Hide = Raw "___" Hide + "____" Hide Solution + Celestial Solvent

    Prepared "___" Hide = Raw "___" Hide + "____" Hide Solution + Lye

    Smooth "___" Hide = Raw "___" Hide + "____" Hide Solution + Celestial Solvent + Skinning Knife

    Pristine "___" Hide = Raw "___" Hide + "____" Hide Solution + Lye + Skinning Knife

    nb: Skinning Knife is returned on success or failure.
    Last edited by Maevenniia; 09-15-2006, 04:34 PM.
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  • #2
    Note: there are only 49 rather than 50 results, because the book states that Raw Stiff Hides cannot withstand the 5th treatment (Stiff Hide Solution+Lye+Skinning Knife)


    Stiff Hide (triv 32) = Raw Stiff Hide + Stiff Hide Solution

    Cleaned Stiff Hide (triv 33) = Raw Stiff Hide + Stiff Hide Solution + Celestial Solvent

    Prepared Stiff Hide (triv 33) = Raw Stiff Hide + Stiff Hide Solution + Lye

    Smooth Stiff Hide (triv 34) = Raw Stiff Hide + Stiff Hide Solution + Celestial Solvent + Skinning Knife

    Pristine Stiff Hide = n/a



    Crude Hide (triv 35) = Raw Crude Hide + Crude Hide Solution

    Cleaned Crude Hide (triv 36) = Raw Crude Hide + Crude Hide Solution + Celestial Solvent

    Prepared Crude Hide (triv 36) = Raw Crude Hide + Crude Hide Solution + Lye

    Smooth Crude Hide (triv 37) = Raw Crude Hide + Crude Hide Solution + Celestial Solvent + Skinning Knife

    Pristine Crude Hide (triv 37) = Raw Crude Hide + Crude Hide Solution + Lye + Skinning Knife



    Rough Hide (triv 38) = Raw Rough Hide + Rough Hide Solution

    Cleaned Rough Hide (triv 39) = Raw Rough Hide + Rough Hide Solution + Celestial Solvent

    Prepared Rough Hide (triv 39) = Raw Rough Hide + Rough Hide Solution + Lye

    Smooth Rough Hide (triv 40) = Raw Rough Hide + Rough Hide Solution + Celestial Solvent + Skinning Knife

    Pristine Rough Hide (triv 40) = Raw Rough Hide + Rough Hide Solution + Lye + Skinning Knife



    Hide (triv 42) = Raw Hide + Hide Solution

    Cleaned Hide (triv 43) = Raw Hide + Hide Solution + Celestial Solvent

    Prepared Hide (triv 43) = Raw Hide + Hide Solution + Lye

    Smooth Hide (triv 44) = Raw Hide + Hide Solution + Celestial Solvent + Skinning Knife

    Pristine Hide (triv 44) = Raw Hide + Hide Solution + Lye + Skinning Knife



    Fine Hide (triv 47) = Raw Fine Hide + Fine Hide Solution

    Cleaned Fine Hide (triv 48) = Raw Fine Hide + Fine Hide Solution + Celestial Solvent

    Prepared Fine Hide (triv 48) = Raw Fine Hide + Fine Hide Solution + Lye

    Smooth Fine Hide (triv 49) = Raw Fine Hide + Fine Hide Solution + Celestial Solvent + Skinning Knife

    Pristine Fine Hide (triv 49) = Raw Fine Hide + Fine Hide Solution + Lye + Skinning Knife



    Supple Hide (triv 53) = Raw Supple Hide + Supple Hide Solution

    Cleaned Supple Hide (triv 54) = Raw Supple Hide + Supple Hide Solution + Celestial Solvent

    Prepared Supple Hide (triv 54) = Raw Supple Hide + Supple Hide Solution + Lye

    Smooth Supple Hide (triv 55) = Raw Supple Hide + Supple Hide Solution + Celestial Solvent + Skinning Knife

    Pristine Supple Hide (triv 55) = Raw Supple Hide + Supple Hide Solution + Lye + Skinning Knife



    Runic Hide (triv 60) = Raw Runic Hide + Runic Hide Solution

    Cleaned Runic Hide (triv 62) = Raw Runic Hide + Runic Hide Solution + Celestial Solvent

    Prepared Runic Hide (triv 62) = Raw Runic Hide + Runic Hide Solution + Lye

    Smooth Runic Hide (triv 63) = Raw Runic Hide + Runic Hide Solution + Celestial Solvent + Skinning Knife

    Pristine Runic Hide (triv 63) = Raw Runic Hide + Runic Hide Solution + Lye + Skinning Knife



    Fine Runic Hide (triv 71) = Raw Fine Runic Hide + Fine Runic Hide Solution

    Cleaned Fine Runic Hide (triv 72) = Raw Fine Runic Hide + Fine Runic Hide Solution + Celestial Solvent

    Prepared Fine Runic Hide (triv 72) = Raw Fine Runic Hide + Fine Runic Hide Solution + Lye

    Smooth Fine Runic Hide (triv 74) = Raw Fine Runic Hide + Fine Runic Hide Solution + Celestial Solvent + Skinning Knife

    Pristine Fine Runic Hide (triv 74) = Raw Fine Runic Hide + Fine Runic Hide Solution + Lye + Skinning Knife



    Supple Runic Hide (triv 84) = Raw Supple Runic Hide + Supple Runic Hide Solution

    Cleaned Supple Runic Hide (triv 86) = Raw Supple Runic Hide + Supple Runic Hide Solution + Celestial Solvent

    Prepared Supple Runic Hide (triv 86) = Raw Supple Runic Hide + Supple Runic Hide Solution + Lye

    Smooth Supple Runic Hide (triv 87) = Raw Supple Runic Hide + Supple Runic Hide Solution + Celestial Solvent + Skinning Knife

    Pristine Supple Runic Hide (triv 87) = Raw Supple Runic Hide + Supple Runic Hide Solution + Lye + Skinning Knife



    Fine Supple Runic Hide (triv 100) = Raw Fine Supple Runic Hide + Fine Supple Runic Hide Solution

    Cleaned Fine Supple Runic Hide (triv 100) = Raw Fine Supple Runic Hide + Fine Supple Runic Hide Solution + Celestial Solvent

    Prepared Fine Supple Runic Hide (triv 102) = Raw Fine Supple Runic Hide + Fine Supple Runic Hide Solution + Lye

    Smooth Fine Supple Runic Hide (triv 103) = Raw Fine Supple Runic Hide + Fine Supple Runic Hide Solution + Celestial Solvent + Skinning Knife

    Pristine Fine Supple Runic Hide (triv 103) = Raw Fine Supple Runic Hide + Fine Supple Runic Hide Solution + Lye + Skinning Knife
    Master Artisan Maevenniia the Springy Sprocket Stockpiler of the really long name
    Silky Moderator Lady
    Beneath the silk, lies a will of steel.

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    • #3
      Here's a list of LDON spells, from lvl 9 to 65, a 56 lvl spread. Level is in ( ).



      Bard
      Rizlona's Embers (45)
      Call of the Muse (65)
      Rizlona's Fire (53)
      Selo's Rhythm of Speed (25)
      Fufil's Diminishing Dirge (60)

      Beastlord
      Spirit of the Shrew (39)
      Guard of Calliav (58)
      Pack Shrew (44)
      Ward of Calliav (49)
      Protection of Calliav (64)

      Cleric
      Bulwark of Vie (62)
      Remove Minor Curse (8)
      Guard of Vie (40)
      Aura of Reverence (64)
      Remove Lesser Curse (23)
      Remove Curse (38)
      Ward of Vie (20)
      Remove Greater Curse (no recipe for this, recipe already exists - see LoY research)
      Protection of Vie (54)
      Blessing of Temperance (45)

      Druid
      Remove Lesser Curse (23)
      Vengeance of Nature (55)
      Pack Shrew (35)
      Feral Pack (52)
      Remove Curse (38)
      Vengeance of the Wild (49)
      Spirit of the Shrew (30)
      Remove Greater Curse (no recipe for this, recipe already exists - see LoY research)
      Vengeance of Tunare (64)
      Remove Minor Curse (8)

      Enchanter
      Protection Of Alendar (55)
      Bounce (43)
      Ward of Alendar (29)
      Bulwark of Alendar (63)
      Color Cloud (63)
      Ordinance (52)
      Reflect (58)
      Guard of Alendar (44)

      Magician
      Reflect (58)
      Ward of Calliav (46)
      Orb of Exploration (42)
      Burning Sand (62)
      Guard of Calliav (58)
      Protection of Calliav (64)
      Wind of the Desert (60)
      Bounce (42)

      Necromancer
      Protection Of Calliav (64)
      Reflect (58)
      Horror (63)
      Ward of Calliav (49)
      Dark Soul (39)
      Imprecation (54)
      Guard of Calliav (58)
      Bounce (44)

      Paladin
      Blessing of Austerity (58)
      Remove Lesser Curse (34)
      Guidance (65)
      Remove Curse (45)
      Remove Minor Curse (19)
      Remove Greater Curse (no recipe for this, recipe already exists - see LoY research)
      Austerity (55)

      Ranger
      Feral Form (64)
      Pack Shrew (49)
      Fire Swarm (55)
      Spirit of the Shrew (41)
      Call of Ice (58)

      Shadowknight
      Scythe of Darkness (47)
      Call of Darkness (54)
      Scythe of Death (54)
      Dark Temptation (32)
      Scythe of Innoruuk (64)

      Shaman
      Odium (43)
      Spirit of the Shrew (29)
      Remove Lesser Curse (24)
      Anathema (54)
      Pack Shrew (34)
      Bane (64)
      Remove Curse (38)
      Remove Minor Curse (9)
      Remove Greater Curse (no recipe for this, recipe already exists - see LoY research)
      Curse (34)

      Wizard
      Magi Ward (54)
      Guard of Calrena (57)
      Reflect (58)
      Ice Meteor (64)
      Mana Ward (63)
      Ward of Calrena (49)
      Bounce (44)
      Protection of Calrena (64)
      Last edited by Maevenniia; 09-15-2006, 04:19 PM.
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      Silky Moderator Lady
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      • #4
        From the book "Systematic Spell Research Ammendum: Paper"

        Crude Spell Scroll (lvl 50)
        Rough Spell Scroll (lvl 51)
        Spell Scroll (lvl 52)
        Fine Spell Scroll (lvl 53)
        Runic Spell Scroll (lvl 54)
        Fine Runic Spell Scroll (lvl 55)
        Rough Papyrus (lvl 56)
        Papyrus (lvl 57)
        Fine Papyrus (lvl 58)
        Runic Papyrus (lvl 59)
        Fine Runic Papyrus (lvl 60)

        61-65 spells:

        Parchment (lvl 61)
        Fine Parchment (lvl 62)
        Vellum Parchment (lvl 63)
        Fine Vellum Parchment (lvl 64)
        Runic Parchment (lvl 65)

        and for OoW spells:

        "The following continue from where the five outlined in the previous books ended"

        Fine Runic Parchment (lvl 66)
        Vellum (lvl 67)
        Fine Vellum (lvl 68)
        Runic Vellum (lvl 69)
        Fine Runic Vellum (lvl 70)

        There are new Solutions, using the oils and acids we already know how to make, to clean the papers, all trivial at 243.
        Last edited by Maevenniia; 02-22-2008, 06:48 PM.
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        • #5
          so, with a fewe exceptions where more than one class gets the same spell:

          this should be the list of hides required for each spell 1-49:

          1 Stiff Hide
          2 Cleaned Stiff Hide
          3 Prepared Stiff Hide
          4 Smooth Stiff Hide
          5 Crude Hide
          6 Cleaned Crude Hide
          7 Prepared Crude Hide
          8 Smooth Crude Hide
          9 Pristine Crude Hide
          10 Rough Hide
          11 Cleaned Rough Hide
          12 Prepared Rough Hide
          13 Smooth Rough Hide
          14 Pristine Rough Hide
          15 Hide
          16 Cleaned Hide
          17 Prepared Hide
          18 Smooth Hide
          19 Pristine Hide
          20 Fine Hide
          21 Cleaned Fine Hide
          22 Prepared Fine Hide
          23 Smooth Fine Hide
          24 Pristine Fine Hide
          25 Supple Hide
          26 Cleaned Supple Hide
          27 Prepared Supple Hide
          28 Smooth Supple Hide
          29 Pristine Supple Hide
          30 Runic Hide
          31 Cleaned Runic Hide
          32 Prepared Runic Hide
          33 Smooth Runic Hide
          34 Pristine Runic Hide
          35 Fine Runic Hide
          36 Cleaned Fine Runic Hide
          37 Prepared Fine Runic Hide
          38 Smooth Fine Runic Hide
          39 Pristine Fine Runic Hide
          40 Supple Runic Hide
          41 Cleaned Supple Runic Hide
          42 Prepared Supple Runic Hide
          43 Smooth Supple Runic Hide
          44 Pristine Supple Runic Hide
          45 Fine Supple Runic Hide
          46 Cleaned Fine Supple Runic Hide
          47 Prepared Fine Supple Runic Hide
          48 Smooth Fine Supple Runic Hide
          49 Pristine Fine Supple Runic Hide

          for 50+ LDON spells:

          50 Crude Spell Scroll
          51 Rough Spell Scroll
          52 Spell Scroll
          53 Fine Spell Scroll
          54 Runic Spell Scroll
          55 Fine Runic Spell Scroll
          56 Rough Papyrus
          57 Papyrus
          58 Fine Papyrus
          59 Runic Papyrus
          60 Fine Runic Papyrus

          61 Parchment
          62 Fine Parchment
          63 Vellum Parchment
          64 Fine Vellum Parchement
          65 Runic Parchment

          For OoW spells (the ones that are obtained from rune turn-ins):

          66 Fine Runic Parchment
          67 Vellum
          68 Fine Vellum
          60 Runic Vellum
          70 Fine Runic Vellum

          Oh yes...for future use:

          71 Rough Paper
          72 Paper
          73 Fine Paper
          74 Runic Paper
          75 Fine Runic
          Last edited by Maevenniia; 02-22-2008, 06:51 PM.
          Master Artisan Maevenniia the Springy Sprocket Stockpiler of the really long name
          Silky Moderator Lady
          Beneath the silk, lies a will of steel.

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          • #6
            JC (not the TSkill either), another learning curve. lol

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            • #7
              So the 51-55, 56-60, and the OoW 66-70 all use the same set of sub-combines shown above?

              Or do the OoW spells use the same set of soultions as the current 61-65 set?
              Last edited by Zacatac; 09-16-2006, 07:10 PM.

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              • #8
                I believe that there are five new cleaning solutions that all trivial at 243. I don't personally know this, though, and I don't remember how I came to that conclusion, so...

                Grain of salt.
                Lister. Not that one, the other one.

                "Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life." - Terry Pratchett, Jingo

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                • #9
                  OoW solutions are made the same way the PoP solutions are (though I don't remember the exact recipes, just assume more expensive gem/metal combinations). The trivial was left at 243 for all of them (so there would be no path to 300 without actually making spells).

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                  • #10
                    That's actually good in a way. Skill up on the solutions, and sell the OoW ones in the Bazaar.

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                    • #11
                      There is a new book that explains the recipes for the new solutions.

                      Well 3 to be more specific.

                      One for Hides

                      One for the new solution from 50-60, and 66-70

                      One for made summon items spells
                      Ngreth Thergn

                      Ngreth nice Ogre. Ngreth not eat you. Well.... Ngreth not eat you if you still wiggle!
                      Grandmaster Smith 250
                      Master Tailor 200
                      Ogres not dumb - we not lose entire city to froggies

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                      • #12
                        There are many many storebought spells from 1 to 50 ... and not nearly as many researched spells. Are they planning on making storebought spells researchable as well? If not, why bother with "parchments" for every level from 1 to 50?

                        Are old style research combines being moved to the new system?

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                        • #13
                          I doubt it. Specifically because RGC was not included in the new LDoN recipes. (noone is surprised at this)

                          The research system from DoDH and TSS effectively lets you make every spell since the only components that vary are the inks/quills that are used (besides the parchment which determines level of course).

                          With the old style system, a spell that is desired to be rare can continue to be rare even though it is available via research by making at least one of the words for the spell to be rare.
                          Necro of Silent Resurgence

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                          • #14
                            Maybe some day. and at that point a decision will have to be made about how to handle the rare spells.

                            I will probably NOT make vendor purchase spells.
                            Ngreth Thergn

                            Ngreth nice Ogre. Ngreth not eat you. Well.... Ngreth not eat you if you still wiggle!
                            Grandmaster Smith 250
                            Master Tailor 200
                            Ogres not dumb - we not lose entire city to froggies

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                            • #15
                              I did not see the traps spells on the LDoN list. Will the LDoN spells series for Iony's, Reebo's, Wuggan's, and Xalirilan's be researchable too?
                              Last edited by Frontallobe; 09-18-2006, 02:41 PM.

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