The SOF Tradeskill Quest!

[Brael]

I seem to go over this over and over again.

It does not matter how long something takes. It does not matter what was done before.

If an actual raid is not included in some way in the path to making an item, I am not allowed give a raid level reward. Your Aid Gremel comment does not work. I could do the same thing, but then you have to get a raid started and completed by SOMEONE in order to get the part. Even if you did not make the effort of a raid directly yourself, the effort of a raid was made in order to get the part.

Whether you or I agree with this or not, that is the rule I am required to uphold.

What limitations are there on the clicky effects? Is it simply it has to be obtainable from non raid content or is there an additional limitation too such as it needs to be from before Crystallos? I ask because for both the melee and caster versions there are superior non raid clicks available.

[gggrant]

What limitations are there on the clicky effects? Is it simply it has to be obtainable from non raid content or is there an additional limitation too such as it needs to be from before Crystallos? I ask because for both the melee and caster versions there are superior non raid clicks available.

I am not exactly certain where I would go to get a non-raid acquired Form of Defense IV.

[Sklak]

On shadow boxes some stupid questions...

Is it ever NOT cloudy/foggy in Hills of Shade? On my PC, with complex sky, it always looks overcast/foggy, never can see the sun. (with a lot of time spent there hunting)

Does the formula take into account correctly that the sun rises in the WEST in norrath...

Died twice now on this simply placing boxes, losing all 3 boxes, when I was quite sure both times had setup right, just wanted to make sure wasn't a graphics issue or quest logic issue.

thanks,

Sklak

[Brael]

I am not exactly certain where I would go to get a non-raid acquired Form of Defense IV.

Shroudsteel Pauldrons. Crystallos I believe.

[Archus]

Woo! Great to be finally done with this task. The last part in Steam Factory is challenging for a single group to be able to kill fast enough to keep that room clear (Demi-plane geared), but we finally did it with bot wizard outside of group. Pretty sure Jolakaz and I were first two to finish on Drinal.

[Leonis]

Dont want to sidetrack thread with this question, but inquiring minds want to know...has anyone seen slot-3 augs yet?

The only Slot 3 augs I have seen to date were from LDoN (which are mostly total junk by current standards) and the very few "ALL" slot augs. I have heard rumours of some somewhere in SoF, but no actual facts yet.

[Leonis]

I seem to go over this over and over again.

It does not matter how long something takes. It does not matter what was done before.

If an actual raid is not included in some way in the path to making an item, I am not allowed give a raid level reward.

Does this factor in what once were raid targets (things like the Avatar of War or King Tormax events, the Fiurious Jailor, or for more extreme examples Ixblat and Trakenon) that are EASILY single-groupable or even SOLO targets by current standards?

At this point, TIME is bloody near a single-group event - I suspect that a Soltaris-geared group likely COULD solo most or all of Time.

Many one-time GoD raid targets are single-groupable OR EVEN BOXABLE any more - I've seen Cyno grouped, Mshas's and Primals can be DUOED any more (I've heard rumours of Primals being SOLOED, but not actually seen it), and last time I saw Zoo die the "raid" had 8 characters, 3 of them being boxed.

Anguish is starting to get close to that. I can see a 2-group party taking down Keldovan or Hanvar, abet they would be long fights. By the time a group is fully SoF geared, they probably WILL be able to single-group some Anguish "raid" targets. The augment mobs don't count - those are single-groupable by ANGUISH geared groups.

I'm also still waiting to see a comparison against the best SoF single-groupable ear or finger item(s). SoF was such a MASSIVE itemflation event that it's NOT fair to compare anything from SoF to items from previous expansions - particularly when the SINGLE GROUPABLE stuff in Tier 2 and 3 zones is often very close to or A MATCH on HPs and Mana to TBS/TSS *RAID DROP* items, and has foci with higher level limits.

5 AC is an improvement on this item, but not enough of one to matter to me. If there was a Slot 3 item that was EAR or FINGER slot I might start THINKING about it - I've got quite a few LDoN points that aren't doing anything for me - but I'm STILL not convinced it's enough of an upgrade over SINGLE-GROUPABLE stuff to be worth the massive time investment.

[tank287]

Originally Posted by Ngreth Thergn
I seem to go over this over and over again.

It does not matter how long something takes. It does not matter what was done before.

If an actual raid is not included in some way in the path to making an item, I am not allowed give a raid level reward.

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Aside from the clicky the final result does have ID5 on it and ID4 and ID5 items that I know about are all only obtainable via a raid. I'm struggling with how it can have better than or equal to raid ID but can only have a non raid click. The posturing bout the click being what it is based on non-raid items does not flow with the ID5 being on the item. Unless there is some other mechanic for determining click effects on items. The logic I have would be if it's got ID5 then should have FOD4 or better or a matching caster click to match the level at which you'd gain an ID4 or 5 item. Also am I missing something where we have to justify upgrade vs old content vs new? Is a historical precedence required to appease merlocs need for oking the upgrade? If we are then why? If there is groupable gear with a better click in the new content that does not require a raid to get to it or obtain it then whats the problem? For the FT8 belt from MPG group trials this does not require a raid as it is a group format based event drop. And the group trials themselves deal with nothing in the line of progression towards anguish. The group trial should not be discounted just by it's proximity to the lore and progression towards anguish as that would be just stretching the progression of OOW to justify a no answer (or is it cause it's a trial? maybe thats why not...not sure why I ask). If it's a worn effect vs. a click effect and they follow the same rules then I do not see an issue.

If any has been answered already I apologize for my lack of search skills ffs. Just all this banter has made me think and head hurt when think too much.

Would be nice to seperate the discussion of improvement and the actual quest info into 2 seperate threads to make finding things a lot easier.

[thestormes]

I'm trying to do the tailoring combine in Steam Factory. Can someone point out where I'm supposed to clear? Is it one particular room? I can't find anywhere that says Central Power Chamber.

[tank287]

The reactor room in the far NE corner worked for me, can tell you are in the right room as it will have a huge spinner device in the center with hella lag generating mist around it.

[Ngreth Thergn]

What limitations are there on the clicky effects? Is it simply it has to be obtainable from non raid content or is there an additional limitation too such as it needs to be from before Crystallos? I ask because for both the melee and caster versions there are superior non raid clicks available.

With all the other bonuses on this item. We would not want to exceed T3 group clicky's, so the top that we would consider is up to but NOT including Crystalos, and NO raids. So group content up through Meldrath's mansion.

[Ngreth Thergn]

On shadow boxes some stupid questions...

Is it ever NOT cloudy/foggy in Hills of Shade? On my PC, with complex sky, it always looks overcast/foggy, never can see the sun. (with a lot of time spent there hunting)

Ding! a Winner!

I was waiting for someone to comment on that before I gave this hint. Yes. You can never "see the sun" so take that to heart when following the instructions.

Does the formula take into account correctly that the sun rises in the WEST in norrath...

no

[Ngreth Thergn]

Does this factor in what once were raid targets (things like the Avatar of War or King Tormax events, the Fiurious Jailor, or for more extreme examples Ixblat and Trakenon) that are EASILY single-groupable or even SOLO targets by current standards?

No, because at the time that the Aid Grimmel task came out, in no way were those trivial encounters.

[Ngreth Thergn]

Originally Posted by Ngreth Thergn
I seem to go over this over and over again.

It does not matter how long something takes. It does not matter what was done before.

If an actual raid is not included in some way in the path to making an item, I am not allowed give a raid level reward.

================================================== =======
Aside from the clicky the final result does have ID5 on it and ID4 and ID5 items that I know about are all only obtainable via a raid. I'm struggling with how it can have better than or equal to raid ID but can only have a non raid click. The posturing bout the click being what it is based on non-raid items does not flow with the ID5 being on the item. Unless there is some other mechanic for determining click effects on items. The logic I have would be if it's got ID5 then should have FOD4 or better or a matching caster click to match the level at which you'd gain an ID4 or 5 item. Also am I missing something where we have to justify upgrade vs old content vs new? Is a historical precedence required to appease merlocs need for oking the upgrade? If we are then why? If there is groupable gear with a better click in the new content that does not require a raid to get to it or obtain it then whats the problem? For the FT8 belt from MPG group trials this does not require a raid as it is a group format based event drop. And the group trials themselves deal with nothing in the line of progression towards anguish. The group trial should not be discounted just by it's proximity to the lore and progression towards anguish as that would be just stretching the progression of OOW to justify a no answer (or is it cause it's a trial? maybe thats why not...not sure why I ask). If it's a worn effect vs. a click effect and they follow the same rules then I do not see an issue.

If any has been answered already I apologize for my lack of search skills ffs. Just all this banter has made me think and head hurt when think too much.

Would be nice to seperate the discussion of improvement and the actual quest info into 2 seperate threads to make finding things a lot easier.

While one part of it may be raid level...

From the massive amount of complaints, it is obviously overall NOT a raid level item.

So despite this one PART being better than any other group item, Overall it is not a raid item because the overall stats and such do NOT make a raid item.

That one part just makes it better than many other group items.

If we change every part of it to be raid equivalent, then well... it is then a raid item, instead of a group item that has a really great element on it.

We have to look at the item as a whole to call it a raid item. This is currently not a raid item. If we go and change everything to raid stats (or like one poster suggested better than any raid item in the game....) then it is a raid item.

[Sklak]

Sklak: Does the formula take into account correctly that the sun rises in the WEST in norrath...

no

Sklak takes big hammer and SMASHES Ngreth.... sigh at least know why boxes were blowing up now, & congrats those that finished... you all did it wrong...