Any Tradeskill Info Out of FF?

[Aldier]

4: Since research will become a generic tradeskill the new tanaan crafting mastery aa needs to be upgraded from 6 to 7 and the arcane tongues aa needs to be made available to all.

I do not think this is necessary. It is becoming available to all on limited basis. They are not like the 7 primary tradeskills where most all recipes are open to everyone unless restricted by race. Research is restriction by class.
Also, it is not fair to any INT caster that has already done research to require them to spend the aa for another level of NTCM to keep their skill. As far as the arcane tongues aa, that will depend on the trivials of the combines. If the trivials are to match those in research as they exist, then it would seem that way, however, if the trivials are set as Ngreth would like without the inflation caused by mastery aa, then there would not be a need for it.

This may only work with tomes though as priests and bards and hybrids creating spells would be at a disadvantage to int casters when it comes to spells/songs.

[Elfdruidess]

Some answers are offered by Ngreth from the Research Forum:
http://mboards.eqtraders.com/eq/show...60&postcount=4

[Ngreth Thergn]

1: Will you be changing the recipes for the research trophy or will you make new research trophies for melee, hybrids, priest classes. (there's some spells that are needed for some of the trophy quests.)

dunno yet They may be without for a bit after launch while I figure it out.

2: Will melee be able to use the binding powders as a skill up path?

nope. Those are for click cast scrolls,and only INT casters will get those at this time.

3: Will research ingredients like inks, quills, cleaning agents be researchable by all or will that still be int casters only? (directly related to the trophy question)

these will be universal to everyone.

4: Since research will become a generic tradeskill the new tanaan crafting mastery aa needs to be upgraded from 6 to 7 and the arcane tongues aa needs to be made available to all.

nope. This will still be a "Specialized" tradeskills since there are 5 different paths for it.
There will be no equivalent of arcane tongues for anyone else, that will only be for INT casters.

[Ngreth Thergn]

This may only work with tomes though as priests and bards and hybrids creating spells would be at a disadvantage to int casters when it comes to spells/songs.

Correct. This is one of the ways to enforce this being primarily an int caster skill, with others being "dablers" thus having a more difficult time at it.

[Shival]

Okay, so I have one more question. Why? As a hybrid researcher I'll have no trophy (yet anyway), no mastery aa, have to spend aa's to get over 200 skill, no skill up path to 300 that doesn't include the impossible to farm and expensive to use parchments and vellums, and a high difficulty in getting skill gains meaning I'll need hundreds and hundreds of these hard to get items. And for all of this work I'll be able to make . . . nine tomes. Why would I even bother?

I love the idea of researchable tomes. And this sounds great for priests and melees. But for hybrids, the bar is too high and the reward is too low. It would be easier to justify not giving hybrids research at all rather then this obstacle course.

[Jeezu]

Here are the Difficulty Values for each Tradeskill. Difficulty 1 = less attempts needed to skillup. Difficulty 4 = more attempts needed to skillup.

Difficulty 1
Spell Research

Difficulty 2
Blacksmithing
Tailoring
Make Poison
Tinkering

Difficulty 3
Baking
Brewing

Difficulty 4
Jewelcraft
Fletching
Pottery
Alchemy

Difficulty 8
Fishing

what is begging at? 25?

[Ngreth Thergn]

what is begging at? 25?

Something way high like that.

But note.
Fishing (with the pole) and Begging go through a different code path for skillups. Fishing with the tackle box does go through the same path.

[gildana]

Will the energaic(sp?) rods be available to melee as a skillup opportunity?

[Zolina]

Will non-int casters be able to do the research quests in Corathus Creep to make mechanoinstruction combines?

[Ngreth Thergn]

Will the energaic(sp?) rods be available to melee as a skillup opportunity?

Will non-int casters be able to do the research quests in Corathus Creep to make mechanoinstruction combines?

Same answer for both.

No.

[Aldier]

So the only things that priests will be able to skill up on are spells?

More and more it sounds like priests are getting the short end of the stick on research.

They have no good skill up paths.

They have trivials that are set extra high (450+) for the newer spells in which they will have at best a 5% geerlok mod and no trophy. They have no mastery aa. So, a priest looking to make a spell, at best can get max skill and 5% while an int caster making the same spell has max skill (potentially higher) a 15% trophy and mastery aa. That means that a priest will have a very reduced chance of success at any of the high trivial spells that they could want to make. There is little to no reason that anyone would want a priest made one over a caster made one as they are looking at almost half the success rate.

Hybrids and bards would have a reason to skill up as they can potentially make tomes at a reasonable rate while they would be very much disadvantaged compared to casters when it came to spells and songs.

Melees have no disadvantage as they can only make tomes. They have no competition from anyone with mastery aa to throw trivials to the extreme numbers that spells are at.

[Ngreth Thergn]

everyone gets quills, inks, solutions and paper cleaning. ALL classes. This gets players up to 245

Then spells are restricted according to class.

Then INT casters continue to keep all the special original INT caster only stuff.

Yes, Melee, priests and Hybrids WILL have a more difficult time of it, in that order of difficulty.

[Aldier]

Then spells are restricted according to class.

I thought I read that INT casters are not decreasing in the spells/songs that they can make. That they will continue to be able to make any spell/song as they currently can.

Priests would only be able to make priest spells.

Hybrids only make hybrid spells and hybrid tomes.

Etc.

[Delph]

Much as was done when the last large batch of spells were made researchable, will the newly researchable tome/spell be tradeable?

Will all classes now be able to make and use the Researcher Charm?

[Ngreth Thergn]

I thought I read that INT casters are not decreasing in the spells/songs that they can make. That they will continue to be able to make any spell/song as they currently can.

Priests would only be able to make priest spells.

Hybrids only make hybrid spells and hybrid tomes.

Etc.

correct. It depends on how you read my statement.

INT casters are restricted to spells and songs
Priests are restricted to priest spells
Hybrids restricted to hybrid spells and tomes
Bards restricted to hybrid spells tomes and bard songs
Melee restricted to tomes.

For some reason people are making it more complicated than it is...