Any Tradeskill Info Out of FF?

[Justmenow]

* INT classes will still be able to do any researchable spell that is in the game.


Does this mean that int classes can't research tomes for other classes??

[Elfdruidess]

"INT classes will still be able to do any researchable spell that is in the game."


Does the word "Spell" here means INT casters will be able to make:
1) Spell
2) Spell + Song
3) Spell + Song + Tomes?

Although I doubt it'll be (3), please keep it at (2) as it was since day 1. My bard will cry if she can no longer get her songs from my INT researcher.

[Elfdruidess]

Here are the Difficulty Values for each Tradeskill. Difficulty 1 = less attempts needed to skillup. Difficulty 4 = more attempts needed to skillup.

Difficulty 1
Spell Research

Difficulty 2
Blacksmithing
Tailoring
Make Poison
Tinkering

Difficulty 3
Baking
Brewing

Difficulty 4
Jewelcraft
Fletching
Pottery
Alchemy

Difficulty 8
Fishing

[thomenthechanter]

Thanks, Elf... glad I'm not misremembering things.

[Andarriel]

Let me get this right brewing is one of the hardest because you can buy most of the stuff off vendors and reserach is easiest because the stuff drops off mobs? I got 10 level 7 trophies and brewing was so easy it wasnt funny and research was a pain. I did reserach before they came out with binding powders.

[thomenthechanter]

Perhaps it's not the right word to use, but it's the first one that came to mind. It's "hardest" solely in the percentage of skill-ups per combine, And.

In short, the percent chance to skill up in brewing is way, way lower per combine because there is a completely no-risk path to grandmastery (at least, for non-KOS-to-Kaladim races; haven't looked for the dark side.) You can hit combine over and over and over and over and over 'til you get there, and the only cost is your time and a little bit of plat.

The percent chance per combine to skill up in research is much higher ("easier") because before the advent of systematic research, you had to go out and fight for the pieces, so the number of combines you could have attempted was much, much smaller. You crossed your fingers and prayed for a skill up, because you had maybe two or three shots each time you'd managed to gather enough pieces.

I got to 216 Research before systematic came out, and was despairing of getting much higher because the drops were just so rare. Perhaps Research should be moved up the difficulty chart a hair now that there's a plat-buy route all the way to 243.. but I'm not about to suggest that officially or say that I'd want it.

[Elfdruidess]

Difficulty 1 = less attempts needed to skillup.
Less attempts imply each attempt is harder to come by, e.g. mob drop.

Difficulty 4 = more attempts needed to skillup.
More attempts imply each attempt is easier to come by, e.g. vendor bought.

The phrase "brewing is one of the hardest" refers to more attempts needed per skillup point. And not refering to how hard it is to get hold of one attempt.

[Andarriel]

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Ok i see what your saying now. But i do know onething it took me a very long time to get fishing to 200. wonder if they will ever raise that one past 200 hehe.

Andarriel

[Elyssanda]

At 200 fishing you have a 100% chance to get fish from the high table. So there is just no room for me to go. So I would either have to add a 4th table... (huge amount of work for me because there are 1700+ zones I would have to go make tables for... though some have no water... I would have to do that research while I was working... still time.) or spread it out so 300 is the new 100% from the high table (adversely affecting players) And really all I can do is make more fly's... I don't see a lot of point in it just to have another skill to give larger numbers too.

this was posted a while back in the fshing forum.

[Ngreth Thergn]

"INT classes will still be able to do any researchable spell that is in the game."


Does the word "Spell" here means INT casters will be able to make:
1) Spell
2) Spell + Song
3) Spell + Song + Tomes?

Although I doubt it'll be (3), please keep it at (2) as it was since day 1. My bard will cry if she can no longer get her songs from my INT researcher.

Sorry I was not clear. Yes it will be 2. Spells and Songs as they can do now. They will NOT be able to do Tomes.

Let me get this right brewing is one of the hardest because you can buy most of the stuff off vendors and reserach is easiest because the stuff drops off mobs? I got 10 level 7 trophies and brewing was so easy it wasnt funny and research was a pain. I did reserach before they came out with binding powders.

I have no idea what the original reasoning is. This is from WAY old original everquest and I inherited it.
I am using it to simulate a "dedication" and/or "Affinity" to the skill by class. Int casters and Melee are more "Focused" and "familiar" with making their respective items, so they have an easier time "learning" the skill. Priests do not spend as much time on research, but are still of a scholarly bent, so they got the 2. Bards historically have an affinity to research, but again spend so much time on so many different things that they get a 2 instead of a 1. Hybrids do not have a scholarly bent, and already have to split their attention on skills, so they get the 3.
Folks can call it "unfair" and maybe it is, but in the end I think it is more fair to int casters who are getting their skill that used to be theirs alone diluted by spreading it out. I am just re-enforcing that the prime researchers are int casters, with melee following close behind.

Difficulty 1 = less attempts needed to skillup.
Less attempts imply each attempt is harder to come by, e.g. mob drop.

Difficulty 4 = more attempts needed to skillup.
More attempts imply each attempt is easier to come by, e.g. vendor bought.

The phrase "brewing is one of the hardest" refers to more attempts needed per skillup point. And not refering to how hard it is to get hold of one attempt.

correct. Those numbers are used as part of the formula in gaining skills. It also goes into play where I start requiring that a skill get dropped components to continue to gain skill. Research is an odd one out, as I would normally have it immediately requiring drops at 54, but I had already had the vendor only methods in there and felt it was not worth changing, AND those vendor only paths are fairly pricey, making the drop method a possible good solution to save money.
I was still new to the team when I did the spell research re-vamp and would have done some things differently if I did it now, but feel it is still good the way it is.

[Delph]

Sorry for the additional question. Will both melees and hybrids be able to research any of the tomes or will they be limited to their types (i.e. melee only do melee tomes and hybrids only do hybrid tomes)?

Thank you for all your helpful responses and wonderful work on tradeskills.

[Carmaris]

correct. Those numbers are used as part of the formula in gaining skills. It also goes into play where I start requiring that a skill get dropped components to continue to gain skill.

Question about this. Does this mean that while some skills are initially a difficulty 4 because there's a vendor purchased skill up path, that they change difficulty level once the skill requires drops? Asking as I'm currently leveling up a potion bot...at 210 now, have the option of going to 231 vendor bought (but not going to...have nearly 2k nodding blue lillies so going that way), but am wondering if skill up rate will improve after 231.

[Ngreth Thergn]

Sorry for the additional question. Will both melees and hybrids be able to research any of the tomes or will they be limited to their types (i.e. melee only do melee tomes and hybrids only do hybrid tomes)?

Thank you for all your helpful responses and wonderful work on tradeskills.

Melee can research ANY tome. If it is a tome, and it is researchable, melee can research it. It does not matter what class eventually uses the tome.
Hybrids can research ONLY hybrid tomes (and hybrid spells.) Basically if their class is on the scroll/tome they can make it, if their class is NOT on it they cannot make it.

Question about this. Does this mean that while some skills are initially a difficulty 4 because there's a vendor purchased skill up path, that they change difficulty level once the skill requires drops? Asking as I'm currently leveling up a potion bot...at 210 now, have the option of going to 231 vendor bought (but not going to...have nearly 2k nodding blue lillies so going that way), but am wondering if skill up rate will improve after 231.

Nope. It is a flat amount, that is set on a per class basis (it just happens to be the same amount for every class, except on research)
I just let it get father before requiring drops.

[Carmaris]

Ah, ok...got it now. Thanks

[Justmenow]

1: Will you be changing the recipes for the research trophy or will you make new research trophies for melee, hybrids, priest classes. (there's some spells that are needed for some of the trophy quests.)

2: Will melee be able to use the binding powders as a skill up path?

3: Will research ingredients like inks, quills, cleaning agents be researchable by all or will that still be int casters only? (directly related to the trophy question)

4: Since research will become a generic tradeskill the new tanaan crafting mastery aa needs to be upgraded from 6 to 7 and the arcane tongues aa needs to be made available to all.