What are all of the tools?

[Aldier]

Bah, can't keep my threads straight, that is how annoying that combine is getting to be.

[Eggborn]

velium smithy hammer (Iksar cultural and Royal Velium items Smithing)
forging hammer (old Iksar Cultural)

[KyrosKrane]

velium smithy hammer (Iksar cultural and Royal Velium items Smithing)
forging hammer (old Iksar Cultural)

Which Iksar recipes require the velium smithy hammer? I didn't see any while checking the recipes that use it.

It looks like the forging hammer is used for both some quest combines (Garzicor and the "necro skull cap quest") and some old-world Iksar cultural.

[Daabu]

vah shir anvil
humming luclinite mallet

Are labeled as "quest", but are also used to make shadowscream armor (a very popular skill-path). Of course, they are the result of a tedious quest, so I guess it depends on what Ngreth wants to do with it.

[Grolyn]

Vah Shir anvil and mallet are probably standard tool since they are reused a lot by those who aspire to reach 300 smithing but want to skip as much of the expensive MCS as possible. Plus some shadowscream stuff do sell in bazaar even only for tribute fodder.

[Ngreth Thergn]

well.

I got this list and realized what I wanted to do would create a huge plat producing exploit.

I have to get Maddoc's approval, but if I go forward with what I want to do I will have to go an make all of these tool either no trade or no value. So my intended thing may not happen. If it does not I will explain what I had planned, and why there would have been an exploit (though I am sure you can guess)

Thank you for the help with the list.

[Artemisia]

no trade or no value

in my personal preference I would hate to see tradeskill tools be no trade, reason for this being that it's one of the few things that you can make at low-ish cost and make a noobie trader happy with.

You always see smiling faces when you can give someone a frying pan or a cake round.

As to making them no value, hmmmm at times I have been able to buy something from smithing merchants when I could not make it myself yet (dairy spoon for example) not possible to make the value 1CP?

*scratches head* Probably because I am blonde but I got no clue what you up to :-D

[mewkus]

I'm not sure what you had planned, but what I was hoping it would be is something that would do for tradeskill tools what the keyring did for keys.

For example, with the smithy hammer: Once you do a combine with a smithy hammer, any other time a combine with the new UI sees it needs a smithy hammer, it would consider it present. You'd still need to have the hammer for new combines that you haven't learned yet, but you wouldn't have to go find it in one of your bank bags and lug it around with you, nor would you have to deal with it showing up on cursor after the combine is done.

[KyrosKrane]

Assuming you had the toolbelt in mind (the tradeskill version of the keyring, that is), you would have to ensure that the tool is consumed when it is added to the toolbelt, and that it is NOT returned on any combine where it is used from the toolbelt. Otherwise, it would indeed be a major plat exploit.

In other words, once you attach a tool to your toolbelt, it's there to stay. You can't ever get it back, unless you make or buy a new one.

If, on the other hand, you anticipate that the toolbelt is a sort of "storage space" where you can retrieve tools, use them, then put them back, then that's another story.

[Bobaten]

I still think he was gonna have the GM trophy summon the bag full of tools (since he mentioned that before).

[Chakua]

I hope it's not a bag full of tools. I love the toolbelt idea.

[mewkus]

Assuming you had the toolbelt in mind (the tradeskill version of the keyring, that is), you would have to ensure that the tool is consumed when it is added to the toolbelt, and that it is NOT returned on any combine where it is used from the toolbelt. Otherwise, it would indeed be a major plat exploit.

In other words, once you attach a tool to your toolbelt, it's there to stay. You can't ever get it back, unless you make or buy a new one.

If, on the other hand, you anticipate that the toolbelt is a sort of "storage space" where you can retrieve tools, use them, then put them back, then that's another story.

The problem that I see with the toolbox consuming the tool is how would it work for experiment mode (old UI) combines. They could just program the new UI to never return the tool (under any circumstance). If the tools not already on the toolbelt, it checks to see if it's in inventory. If it is, then simply add it to the toolbelt. If it isn't, don't allow the combine.

The drawback to this is that you could have one smithy hammer used to get everyone flagged for it. If that ends up being a problem, make the tools atuneable and once added to the toolbelt, they become NoDrop. And it's your option to either hang on to it (for any experiment mode combines) or destroy it (and plan on just buying another for experiment mode combines).

The toolbelt idea also allows you to handle the cultural tools. It also covers the pot in the snow bunny stew situation by simply making that combine not learnable (i suspect it already is).

[ColdHeart]

Pretty sure it was the lvl 7 trophy summoning a bag of tools. Aside from the obvious summoned plat ;-) I think baking would require 2 bags of tools :-p

Toolbelt FTW! But yes, learning new recipes would still require the component. So a way to retrieve the tools and remove them from the belt would be an alternative option.

Or... make a new set of tools, all marked as No Drop and add recipes to include these tools. I'm sure that isn't a gigantic headache :-p

[Ngreth Thergn]

It was a bag of tools.

I wanted a solution that required no code changes.

The toolbox/ring idea is a largish code change. Anything with a code change is far off.

The bag idea could theoretically be done in a few days (assuming time is given...)

But generating platinum is not a good idea

I will be thinking on it more.

[Newcromancer]

A tool box ring would rock.