Chronal and Discordant Stones

[Wyvernwill]

The problem is... for tanks... there is not much of a chance of a non raid tank, let alone one that has never raided, to obtain the gear. Sitting at 12khps, 2640 ac buffed, I still have some issues handling a few of these missions.

It's not too bad on RVR, except for 70.4, that one almost made me laugh. Kill one mob, you win.

[Ngreth Thergn]

I am told it is because the Chronal is for PoP erah, not DoD... so it has to be PoP erah raid.

I guess we need Maddoc to answer it. Will be a while, and to tell you the truth you chose bad timing, we are on holiday break, so he is not likely to ever see this thread.

[filobeto]

I am told it is because the Chronal is for PoP erah, not DoD... so it has to be PoP erah raid.

I guess we need Maddoc to answer it. Will be a while, and to tell you the truth you chose bad timing, we are on holiday break, so he is not likely to ever see this thread.

So, the stones were going to be added to non-DoD raid content? Interesting if true.

[Wyvernwill]

In terms of what this discussion means, I believe that he means PoP level mob difficulty. I highly doubt they would put an expansion only item into a zone not from that expansion, however I have been tricked before.

[filobeto]

In terms of what this discussion means, I believe that he means PoP level mob difficulty. I highly doubt they would put an expansion only item into a zone not from that expansion, however I have been tricked before.

I would agree, and hope it sticks to DoD, I could do without doing Rathe or Squid again.

However, look no further than the other items needed for an aug, regardless of the level - You need Deepwater Ink and Darkmater Dust to make the ink, neither of these items come from DoD. Sobeit that they are tradable, still not from this expansion.

There are many other examples of this, where a recipe is introduced with an expansion, but requires items from expansions prior. Same with quests.

[Lemeril]

I am told it is because the Chronal is for PoP erah, not DoD... so it has to be PoP erah raid.

I guess we need Maddoc to answer it. Will be a while, and to tell you the truth you chose bad timing, we are on holiday break, so he is not likely to ever see this thread.

Is there any reason you can't bring it to his attention when he get's back? In my opinion this is something that really needs to be addressed. As other's have pointed out here you are actually taking away from tradeskilling for non-raid members. Personally if Chronal's will be raid I have no point in obtaining them, they are worthless. I've already read up on the event to get a Discordant which can be one grouped with the right group and have been working on putting together that group. There is no point in getting a Chronal if the difficulty will be on par with the discordant, as is currently stated. So it will be a completely worthless addition to the game. Which may be why it never made it out of beta.

[Aarial]

I remember getting a discordant stone the first couple weeks of DODH from the Korlach Leviathan Line. We weren't sure what it was for at the time but someone looted it. Its the one where you have to kill Korlach himself. It was a hard mission. We got some chest to pop at the end is all I remember. I remember that dude hit like a truck and was thinking no one is going to be able to do this mission. I haven't touched that line since, but I'm wondering if maybe thats where they are dropping eh?

[Ngreth Thergn]

So, the stones were going to be added to non-DoD raid content? Interesting if true.

Yes, though it may not go as far back as PoP, we do plan on adding it to some older content.

[Bobaten]

I've already read up on the event to get a Discordant which can be one grouped with the right group and have been working on putting together that group. There is no point in getting a Chronal if the difficulty will be on par with the discordant, as is currently stated.

There is a difference in difficulty between a raid that was intended to be one groupable by high geared raiders, and a raid that players figured out a way of one grouping.

[Lemeril]

Actually, read the various text on the event from Allakhazam and exactly what Ngreth stated for the Chronal's is almost word for word what people ahve said in regards to the current mission for Discordant stones.

Anguish geared groupable, EP raidable.

[Bobaten]

But look at the rest of the gear that is dropped from that raid. It is clearly intended to be for a Qvic geared raid (as Ngreth stated). Compare to the elemental quality drops from events like the Creep Reaper Toilers. My point is, that just because a group of anguish level people can do a raid, doesn't mean it was a raid intended for a group of anguish level people, players have a habit of doing things completely differently than SoE intended/expected (see soling monster missions for another example).

[Lemeril]

Soloing monster missions has nothing to do with quality of gear available to the players. What we are talking about does.

What you seem to be looking at is the quality of gear dropped not the difficulty of the mission. The quality of the other gear in the raid/event is not on question here. The difficult for what is obtained in regards to the end result for the aug is.

In other words if both raids are going to require EP level raids what is the point of doing the Chronal? That is what you are not following. You are on the level of the drop, well to be honest a good raid leader is looking at both the quality of the drop and the difficulty of the raid. If you have a raid that requires the same difficulty and offers greater rewards which raid do you do?

[Lemeril]

I really should explain my frustration in the sense of where it comes from. My main toon is a 70 ranger. I never started in raiding guilds, never really got into them until 70. Although I enjoy raiding and can even lead good raids I'm not 100% sure I want to be in a hardcore raiding guild.

All of my gear to date has come from 1 groupable or tradeskill items. I am currently fully GM cultural. When I saw the various DOD stones and knowing that I am not currently in any guild and looking at options and that my measly 170 aa's do not meet the requirements of any top level guild I set my sights on chronal stones. It was something for me to work towards while I decided where I wanted to be in this game. Did I want to site down with the casaul/part time raiders or go full core raiding.

Basically since first learning no one knew where chronal's were and now having discovered they are unavailable to casual players at all I have pretty much stopped playing my main toon. He is no longer fun as the only thing I can look forward to is more at the moment is more AA grinding in order to accomplish anything of an upgrade.

You might say there are DoN augs, but how many times can you do the same DoN mission over and over again? There are a few I haven't done but many of the people I used to group with no longer play or have that 400+ AA's and have moved into the upper guilds.

I'm stuck at a choice now. Either a join a casual guild/casual raiding guild in order to find groupage and hope I'm happy with that with no chance to get any DoD augs or I spend hours upon countless hours grinding aa's to meet the requirements of the Guilds that are raiding DoD then attend raid after raid after raid waiting to build up enough attendance to have the chance to bid on one.

I don't know how it is on other servers but getting a group unless you form it yourself is not easy on Tribunal. And even then trying to put together a good group is even harder.

[Bobaten]

I guess my point of view is looking to the future when more (or in the case of chronals some) events drop these. The reason I bring up the quality of loot from the leviathan raid is it is double the stats of elemental gear. You are correct that if this is obtainable by an elemental raid force, then what point (besides lockout timers) would there be to doing any other raids. In other words, the korlach raid would appear to be much easier than intended, and would likely be fixed in that case(thus the analagy of monster missions). And future events (that ngreth hinted are coming) will likely be more difficult as well.
Or, you could look at it from the other angle, if the Korlach raid is runnable by a group of Anguish players, then a raid for chronal stones might very well be beatable by a group of elemental/time geared players. My guild is Qvic geared, and we have no difficulty farming Matriarch for Bazu stones (a raid that was apparently intended for Anguish geared guilds).

But in the end, I think the point of these augments was to give tradeskillers another market to sell to. Since, for the most part, the only reason Anguish+ players needed tradeskill items was for alts/twinks.

[Baxter]

I just have to say to those of you who think AAAA's should cost 60 to 80k, go make one. Go make one, pharm the bits, or go ahead and buy them, I am sure you will have a very interesting time. I hope you have a ton of bank space, and the ability to have patience when you fail a combine that took you a few hours to get set up to make, that being only 1/4 of the final combine.

As for chronal. I agree, the lv of effect is way too low for it to be put on anything remotely hard that it required anguish lv gear to obtain. If the effects were higher quality than PoP era, I can understand, but alot of the effects have lv 67 max focii on them. Plus they have 5 more hp than the DoN crystal bought aug. The others are pluses, but not worth a event that would require a elemental raid. I would personally prefer having it as the rare drop from a mission with a long lock out after doing it, like mpg trials, and ikkinz trials in god. Would regulate the number on server, but still make it available to the masses. Getting it really should be half the battle, and getting the cultural armor and the AAAA the other half.