Patch reschedueled again.

[Phantron]

Shissar scales are for leather tailoring armor. Erudites cannot be any leather class so of course they don't get that.

[Wyvernwill]

yeah yeah, I forgot about that. There was an erudite in the group I was raiding with screaming bloody murder when I said I needed the scales =P Figured they got tailoring too out of them for him to be as hyper as he was over them /shrug.

lol too bad CDD are rare as heck.

[Bolas]

Ok so the equivalent of Shimmering Ukun Hides for ogres. Going for 2k-5k per shimmering ukun hide in the bazaar at the moment, makes an item that is 100% useless -- nobody buys it, not players, not npc's, and can't use it for tribute. No thanks.

Haven't seen all that many drop, either. Bleah.

-Bolas

[tnexus]

Are the tradeskill trivials even going in on this patch? Last I heard they weren't even on test.

[Aethn]

No trivial changes yet

As of today, Sat 25th, the trivials on Test are unchanged. All indications point to no trivial changes on the 29th unless they sneak them in monday or tuesday.

[Vidyne]

hehe.... all indications pointed to no change when the tailoring nerfs went in as well I thought?

[Aethn]

Like I said, unless they sneak it in, which they have done in the past.

[Nefertiti Nazguul]

What is the patch suppose to change? I am at work again and cannot go to EQlive to see it.

[KyrosKrane]

What is the patch suppose to change? I am at work again and cannot go to EQlive to see it.

Copied from the Upcoming Updates page:

Upcoming for June

Our next update has been rescheduled for June 29th. We will be introducing new changes to the tutorial zones and making several improvements to the newbie experience. In addition, we will be fully instancing the Plane of Time, adding a number of new healing potions, and making additional changes to classes including introducing some new spells.

Keep your eyes open for some exciting events that will be taking place in Norrath. You won't want to miss out.

New Potions!

• With the next update, we’ll be adding a whole series of new healing and buff potions to the game. These potions can be created through trade skills and can also be purchased off various merchants.

New Spells and Disciplines!

• New fear spells that will affect higher level creatures.
• An upgrade to Word of Morell for Enchanters
• Lower level versions of the melee guard disciplines for Shadowknights and Paladins.
• Lower level spells in the Spirit of the Panther line for Shaman.
• Lower level spells in the Ward of Righteousness line for Clerics.

Plane of Time Instanced!

• Every raid force will now get their own version of the zone when they enter it.

New Tutorial!

• The new player tutorial now supports players up to level 10 and has been completely redone with new art, new monsters, and new quests.
• Many new quests have been added to continue the learning from levels 10 to 20.

New Live Event!

• Dark forces are stirring within the heart of Neriak.

[tnexus]

hehe.... all indications pointed to no change when the tailoring nerfs went in as well I thought?

Read the post on the Fanfaire. Maddoc was messing around with them and forgot to change them back to their old trivials, so hence they went live. At that point they wisely just accepted the damage and moved on. There's no way they'd ever pull that again.

[Bobaten]

hehe.... all indications pointed to no change when the tailoring nerfs went in as well I thought?

Actually, the very first post about the tailoring nerf was made by someone who noticed it on test the night before the patch. No one was looking for trivial changes, so we don't know how much of a warning we could have had. I suspect there are a few more people checking now.

[Vidyne]

Read the post on the Fanfaire. Maddoc was messing around with them and forgot to change them back to their old trivials, so hence they went live.

/nod

At that point they wisely just accepted the damage and moved on. There's no way they'd ever pull that again.

/shrug.. doubtful.
I dont put anything past SoE anymore. If they would have changed the trivials back, I would have believed in SoE. The fact that.. oh we made a HUGE mistake, and messed up this one tradeskill, while not messing up other tradeskills.. made me upset. The fact that.. oh... well we're just gonna leave it there for 5 months until we change the others to match.... erm.. lets just say I dont believe much SoE says anymore.

So if you were .... hmm whats a good analogy.... at school for example..

English, Math, Science, History, etc.. etc.. etc..

The school announces that they will be ripping pages out of everyone's textbooks that they use at the moment soon because of some reason.. because they want to increase the need to use other books.

Ok, you are ok with this.
Now you are in history class, and find your pages have already been ripped out. You go to the same officials... they say... oh umm we were kinda playing around with the pages we wanted to rip out, and just forgot and ripped them out of the history textbooks early. We're not going to change it back, youll just have to live with it until we change everyone else's books.

5 months pass by... or 3 or 4..(how long has it been?) and everyone else still has their full books, but you go with your ripped up history book every day, wondering why.
They promise they will put information and helpful things in the new/other textbooks, the ones you never used to use... but that still hasnt happened either.
You are just continually encouraged that yes, what happened wasnt quite right, but just wait a little longer, we cant or wont fix it.. just wait a little longer... a little longer... we know youre getting the short end of the stick, but just wait a little longer...

Sorry for the slightly overdone analogy... but the tailoring nerf was still in my opinion wrong, and no one will ever convince me otherwise. It should have been undone, theres no arguement as to why it shouldnt have been fixed.
Thats my opinion, and the one I'll always have.

[tnexus]

Well here's how I see it. Their goal was to make tailoring harder in the first place, as will be the goal with the upcoming nerfs for the other tradeskills. Inevitably it would have happened anyway. If they changed it back all that would have happened would have been a massive dash by the masses to get tailoring up. People would know what's coming, and would hurry to get 300 before it'd be too late. It was kind of the same with everyone and the not yet changed tradeskills when they saw tailoring was nerfed except that we still don't know those trivials; for tailoring we do.

It's possible that if they changed it within the first 24 hours it might have been salvaged by some quick talking from Absor or Maddoc stating those were only test trivials, not the real ones, but they didn't. After 24 hours a lot of people unloaded their velious and solstice crap in the bazaar. If they changed it back past then they'd have people pissed that they just sold off their crap. For all we know the nerf might have brought along a longer grace period for the new tradeskill trivials, who knows /shrug.

In the end it's done and over. I myself got hit with it too, but I'm now 300 and am almost glad they did it. I can sell my stuff at higher prices because there aren't 4000 300skill tailorers running around like there would have been. The only thing they really should fix is making Shissar scales or something equally as easy to get for all races. Even though I did a ton of Othmir and old cultural towards the end over new cultural for skillups, it still should be looked into (again).

[Ngreth Thergn]

I dont put anything past SoE anymore. If they would have changed the trivials back, I would have believed in SoE. The fact that.. oh we made a HUGE mistake, and messed up this one tradeskill, while not messing up other tradeskills.. made me upset. The fact that.. oh... well we're just gonna leave it there for 5 months until we change the others to match.... erm.. lets just say I dont believe much SoE says anymore.

um...

They did exactly what they "said" they refused to change it back, like they said they would. So since they did what they said... why don't you "believe much SoE says"?

[mewkus]

They also said that changes to the trivials was going to come after they smoothed out the skill up formula.

I'd say it's fairly safe to say that they speak in half truths.