Salvage trouble

[ColdHeart]

Not sure about you Eileah, but I think the cost of my AAs is shared, by the fact I have groups who are working together to get them. Sure, if you solo those AAs, then you can claim to be the only one who can gain advantage from them.. but with me my success is shared.

As for pocketing the items salvaged... seems very bad karma. Did you get the AA so you would lose less items on failed combines or to get items when failing combines from other people? If you got it for yourself then why benefit from someone elses work and lose? If you got it to benefit from others loses...

Was going to ramble, but my point boils down to; Would you keep the item if you succeeded? Would you work out how much XCM3 boosted your chance and kept the item that % of times the AAs made you succeed? No, the ingedients belong to the person who farmed/bought them. If you don't charge for the attempt you have little arguement to keep a salvaged item, you would have given the person the finished product so why keep what you salvaged. If you do charge you have no reason to keep the item as they are paying for your services, Salvage included.

[Elyssanda]

Considering how very rare things like the new augs are, I would want a group message saying if they had been saved. I don't think it would be fair of me or any person to Keeps omething like that when I didn't EARN it. just because I have the salvage AA's doesn't mean I deserve to keep someone else's property. And it IS their property unless I bought it from them, and could keep it success or fail.

[Eileah]

Not sure about you Eileah, but I think the cost of my AAs is shared, by the fact I have groups who are working together to get them. Sure, if you solo those AAs, then you can claim to be the only one who can gain advantage from them.. but with me my success is shared.

Actually I do solo/duo all of my exp pretty much ( I never ever ever group with strangers), I am retired from hardcore raiding and I take it very very easy now, I play the EQ that makes me happy.

I have multiple accounts and I play every day with a friend who also "boxes" like me, so I guess I am an anomaly compared to most in EQ.

My opinion makes no difference in the marketplace as I do not do combines for anyone but friends (I did once and it left a sour taste in my mouth, so never again), and they know that I would not only give back anything that was salvaged but I have also failed combines and then added my own item to try the combine again for them, so my honesty and generosity is never in question, maybe the same can't be said for others or maybe others don't have friends to help them out that they can trust without having to have proof. My reputation keeps them coming back to me for combines.

It was and is my actions and my character that built my solid reputation, not any messages in group.

/shrug

It's a sad state of affairs when so many are worried about people taking something from them (that was lost to them anyway), then again I am the person who has made toons to cover ALL tradeskills which enables me to not have to ask anyone for anything, ever. I prefer to be self-sufficent in all things.

I still believe that the person who earns and spends those AA's is the one that should benefit from their use, but having said that I can see the paranoia over salvaged items growing into a monster that could cause people greif if they can't trust someone, so make it a message for the salvage and the failed salvage, hell put your XCM and salvage level in some form that others can see, cause no one seems to be able to take anyone at their word anymore.

Wont make any difference to me except more spam in my window that only I will see.

[ColdHeart]

I too try and be self sufficient. I haven't had the time to get my chanter to 49 to enchant the steel for cultral combines and am not prepared to get him to 65 just for EP Smithing but thankfully have friends who are willing to do the combines/enchants needed (and I supplied said spells).

Still, you are saying that ownership of an item can change purely by purchasing an AA. By the same logic any time you make an item because you had XCM3 you can keep it, because without the AA you would failed and would have lost the item anyway. Or that any time you make an item for someone else you can keep it, because without all the plat and time spent getting the skill up you would have failed.

My view is that if you offer to do a combine, free or otherwise, or are lending your skills to someone else. To hide a skill which can benefit you is dishonest. I can even imagine someone buying Salvage 3 and offering to do high lvl combines (not likely, but possible) just for the salvages :-p

Btw, Skill lvl can be seen (by titles) and if they have the trophy then it is also a good indication. Maybe showing XCM and Salvage lvls is going too far, but group messages for salvage can't be a bad thing.

[Eileah]

Btw, Skill lvl can be seen (by titles) and if they have the trophy then it is also a good indication. Maybe showing XCM and Salvage lvls is going too far, but group messages for salvage can't be a bad thing.

Yep skill level can be shown with titles that's why I didn't mention it.

We have success AND fail messages for combines, so only putting in success messages for salvage doesn't make sense, if you don't show a fail to salvage message then how are you going to know the person even has salvage?

And this is ALL about no one trusting anyone so both a neg and pos messages is going to be needed to satisfy the paranoid. It's the ONLY verification you can have as to whether the person actually has salvage.

[Akishka]

And this is ALL about no one trusting anyone so both a neg and pos messages is going to be needed to satisfy the paranoid.

Well actually, this is about tradeskillers keeping items that are salvaged without the prior consent of the person who gave the item to them. And hey, we are trusting people, we are trusting everybody here who has flat out said that the person doing the combine has every right to keep the salvaged item without telling the person who provided the combine. Thats is what bothers the heck out of me about this thread. The message showing would simply allow those people who chose to hire tradeskillers to know who it is that thinks they are entitled to the salavaged items.

[Eileah]

Well actually, this is about tradeskillers keeping items that are salvaged without the prior consent of the person who gave the item to them.

If you agree before the combine on who is to get any salvaged items AND you trust this person, why would you need a message?

If you don't have an agreement beforehand then you are foolish or you don't care and no message will change that.

[Akishka]

If you don't have an agreement beforehand then you are foolish or you don't care and no message will change that.

Or, like many people here have said, you never imagine that it would be an issue. To me, it would be very similar to agreeing before hand that I will get my item back on a sucessfull combine. I just assume that if I'm paying for a service, I will get back any and all fruits of that service.

[Lothay]

I'm inclined to move this to the PSR.

It's borderline accusatory. It's borderline hostile.

Keep the commentary civil and about the issues please.