idea from the wizard board

[eniamn]

an idea from the wizard board. they were discussing flags and how most will never see potime. deginerated to rubbish for a while but then someone suggested a zone to reward the other types of acheivment beyond just hard core raiding. one for soloers where you have to solo some big evil red con mob to gain entry. also suggested a tradeskiller city. you have to have certain tradeskills to a certain level or something to get in.

my thoughts.
would be awesome. if just to have another ts goal. gm something. get other ts to 100. enter ts city. 1450 club. 1750 club. something like that. where you can say to your other buds you can go into Zone TS now.

i realize with sh and pok there isn't much real need for such a city but would still be cool. ts without the lag of pok and knowing everyone else was a skiller there too. "uber" (not deragatory actually much respect for them) players can farm teh ele planes. this would be a city yard and maybe some other zones with limited by ts that had good dropping mobs.
smith would let you into an acrylia cavern zone with better acrylia drops. weeker with worse drops in front and better in back but even the front has better than dsp drops from that level of mob.
brewing opens up the cosmic bar zone where bar fight mobs drop special recipe stuff for new stat drinks.
fletching opens up a wide open plane where lots of the mobs are ranged attackers with bow parts and arrows parts (good parts not like small nocks).
tailoring opens up the endless spider caverns for all types of silk with hopperr caves and different faction wyverns and othmir in the top, coldest, reaches.

i just think it would be cool. have it show your rank when in the city based on the number of zones you've "unlocked". say a new zone unlocks at 185 to 200 so you can get the benefit of the zone.

what do you think. i know its just a hallucination i will never see but i liked the idea. if we can't get a multi trophy then the rank would let us get some kind of status comparative.

could implement a lot of fun new quests to help "build" the city with tradeskills. allow a like 1p * lv^2 pass to enter for 30 min. ( thats your level squared in pp. 1pp for a level one and 250 for a level 50.) if you dont have the skills to ask for a gm of some skill. it doesn't have to be completely locked but a visitor tag woudl be nice. just wo you could walk up to someone and go "you fletch to? well you want to join my group in the fields for some hunting?" ideally it would be nice to xp while your gathering but farming greens is faster for multiple drops. if the drop rate was very good though on the higher mobs it would encourage that though.

ok you can tell me all the bad stuff about it now and kill my little happy dream. sok. i made the 90% rez potion from the stuff i looted a bit ago in there.

[Rhyianna]

heh would rather see it as a city with more forges, ovens, looms, brew barrels and vendors available. maybe with prices a few silver less?

nice idea tho.

[eniamn]

well i figured all the pok merchants and sh merchants. figured on sections with different things. a blacksmithing section with at least 5 prefer 10+ forges and all the ore and mold merchants. one dwarf merchant with just water and ale. flag thecontainers for any recipe. loom is tanan and coldain but not cultural. (sorry) i can just see this massive tradeskilling city/world. they are getting new worlds in the new expansion so this doesn't see too far off.

thanks

[Renjah]

make it instanced you get your own stationary containers and vendors

Take me down to trade skill city where the forges are open and the vendors are pretty!

[eniamn]

Take me HOOOOMME. (i think thats it anyway. that would work too.)

[Dory]

Make zones accessible based on tradeskills but only exclusive of PoP flagging. If you have PoP flags you can't get in. Watch all the "ubers" scream about not having fair access to content. Now *that* would be a riot to watch.

[Spuds]

so virtually nobody over 50 can get into it, and no tradeskiller working on PoP recipies can get in?

That's shooting yourself in the foot.

[Turlo Lomon]

This does sound like a fun idea, even if it doesn't involve farming. If we could find the common tradeskill items on venders. But a few comments of course.

1) No way in heck should these be linked to PoP flags. I have to agree. That is shooting yourself in the foot. This is definitely something that should be considered seperate in all respects.

2) Instead of farming zones (I am so sick of farming), just have venders selling the items that we are so used to farming.
a) Tailoring Building. Tanner (sells pelts of all kinds). Exotic Tanner (the velious pelts). Etc.
b) Smithing. Common Temper Ingredients, etc.
c) Poison ingredients. From all over the world!
etc.

3) A special bank for storing tradeskill items only.

The planar drops may been to be excluded, or the tradeskillers will suddenly be quite wealthy. However, the normal drops used in tradeskills could definitely help us out.

Possible quests:
Velium vender has limited amount of ore. Quest to restock. Same for acrylia.
Same with tanners. Etc.

Make the awards worthwhile because of what you are giving up. It would be a good way to get rid of extra tradeskill items you no longer need.

[Quillium]

Eniamn said:
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an idea from the wizard board. they were discussing flags and how most will never see potime.
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It may definately take a while to see the plane of time. But there should be none that aren't at the least elemental flagged. Its not like its THAT hard to do these days if you want to go and are willing to put in the effort to get the flags. Some can't due to RL conflicts and that's valid, but i know plenty of lazy bums who even when TOLD there is an open raid going to hit something for a flag and that they could go along, they pass. They've got all the reasons lined up, its an open raid, those never succeed. Whatever. Its certainly a lot easier to sit back and moan and groan how unfair things are. I worked elemental access between May-July of this year. Maybe 2 months of work on and off? Got all flags without the benefit of being in the guild doing those flags. For the proactive person, they can be gotten, but they won't just come to you.

Eniamn said:
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also suggested a tradeskiller city. you have to have certain tradeskills to a certain level or something to get in.
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I don't like it. The entire point of having a progressive level system for a skill is that its the level system that lets you do bigger and better things. A 250 GM JC'r can run a bloodmetal earring of engagement combine rather than endless amounts of Silver Malachite Rings. And if your intention is to make yourself leet and have the zone of no ubers, you are sadly mistaken. One of the things that makes an uber an uber is the willingness to do anything it takes to get what they want. You think if you put a skill level restriction on a zone per a tradeskill that they won't have most of the minimum skill levels knocked out in a day?

At the same time, the purpose of tradeskills is to be a community of people used to manipulate those items which are dropped in commonly used zones.

Eniamn said:
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i realize with sh and pok there isn't much real need for such a city but would still be cool. ts without the lag of pok and knowing everyone else was a skiller there too. "uber" (not deragatory actually much respect for them) players can farm teh ele planes.
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Nice thought.. but ubers go wherever they can't access and will pound on the gates until they overrun you. Sorry, that's just how they are. I'd give them a day before they were /ooc'ing you in zone how cool this stuff is. Just watch whenever level caps are raised and how sudden people max them.

Eniamn said:
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what do you think. i know its just a hallucination i will never see but i liked the idea. if we can't get a multi trophy then the rank would let us get some kind of status comparative.
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I just think the idea is a bit redundant and that PoK was meant as a place to handle exactly that. That's why you have the Plane of Knowledge where nearly all normal buyable components are sold, there are static containers for every skill, and no faction issues to speak of. At the same time its linked to nearly every other zone or near it in Norrath.

Personally, if you are looking for a reward for tradeskilling or say.. the 1750 club, I'd suggest a title. Like Eniamn the Master Tradeskiller. When you can combine all 7 GM trophies in a container and hand it in with all skills at 250 you get one master item with all the mods and the title after your name. Seeing that title, you know someone is 1750 club, which.. to date, can't really be ubered up to overnight. Some skills yeah.. others.. it'll take a while :>.

-Quillium Lifehammer
65 Warrior Fennin Ro

[eniamn]

it wasn't going to be exclusive to ppl without flags. at least some raiders liked ts before ag i know. the uber players comment was the non-ts lv 65 ele flagged 300+ aa folk. they dont need to come here.

i dont see a problem with the ag ppl getting in. they may not have "earned" (farmed) all of there skills but they've still got them. i think good farming zones are the best we can expect to get. if ppl could by 75 artic wyvern hides after every patch or restock tailoring would get way too easy. velium and acrylia vendors might not be bad though. it would still take wind stones for acrylia and other stuff with the velium for tailoring. that i could see.

i have no problems with a title for 1750 or a complete ts trophy. it was just an idea i saw and liked.

[Liwsa]

All trade skill component in the fabled city would have to be
no-drop rent. You can buy them but YOU have to use them and use them before you log or you lose them. You can't make acrylia buyable from a vendor(vendor supplied not sold by a player to the vendor and you come along and then buy it) and allow folks to then go sell it in the bazaar.

[eniamn]

/yeah but thats a lot of recipes to code. the any tradeskill containers would be kinda nice though. tannan and coldain looms. mabye cultural but the coding on that might not work too well. its kinda sad if you never had to visit your home city for cultural though.

give us some carpentry items for fletching that are no drop and quested in the new city. like we are helping to build it.

[Arghargh]

I don't see special zones with better drops being a good or likely option. This would drive prices down and saturate many markets. It would make farming less profitable for those trying to fund their tradeskills training.

Keep in mind that SOE likes time sinks - they keep you playing longer.

Arghargh Grumble, Darkblood
65 Ogre Shaman of Rallos Zek

200 Alchemy
200 Baking
250 Blacksmithing
250 Brewing
200 Fishing
200 Fletching
200 Jewelry
200 Pottery
170 Tailoring

[eniamn]

saturate what markets that aren't already saturated? to get access to the city would only require a few ts at 150+ ideally. not enough in the 1450 or 1750 clube to requiure much higher.

(i was going to say something here but generalizing anyone is kinda pointless to me. there are always enough exceptions.)

they also like plat sinks. tradeskills are one of the biggest.

if the price went down relative to the cost then the profit is the same. no problems there. newbies would still get a lot of money from ces and leather padding becuase ppl still won't farm for it.

[Quillium]

Eniamn said:
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saturate what markets that aren't already saturated?
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Those that you deliberately took the time to setup a zone or drops for. Acrylia tailored and/or smithed items aren't necessarily oversaturated, just the one stud/boning/ring combines like masks. But they would be in your scenario. I understand the allure of having the big room of candy of every sweet that you want, any time you want, but it should just be that, a fantasy.

Eniamn said:
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to get access to the city would only require a few ts at 150+ ideally.
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Which nobody in their right mind wouldn't be able to just power through. So, with everyone having access to your 'restricted' zone, where does the benefit come in?

Eniamn said:
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they also like plat sinks. tradeskills are one of the biggest.
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What makes them plat sinks is the rarity of the components and the number of combines/skill needed to make. If arctic wyvern hides, cobalt cod, and velium drops fell off trees in your new zone everyone would be 250 in tailoring overnight. Rather than having to spend a couple of hundred K and hunt down every component we can get their hands like we do now.

If you want to raise the price of materials, put in more recipes that can use that item. If you want to lower them, add more areas where the materials can be farmed.

Eniamn said:
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if the price went down relative to the cost then the profit is the same. no problems there.
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This has rarely, if ever, been the case.

Eniamn said:
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newbies would still get a lot of money from ces and leather padding becuase ppl still won't farm for it.
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Newbies don't get a lot of money from CE's(celestial essences i assume?) Profit is at most 3p per. Maybe, we can concede that's 'a lot' of money to them, but in the EQ market its sock drawer stuff.

Leather padding, has and always will be a big seller. So long as the silks aren't THAT easy to come by, nor the pelts. If they dropped like rangers on a raid in your new zones, so would the price. Sure, there are some places you can AE farm, but its still quite a bit of work to get in quantity.

-Quillium Lifehammer
65 Warrior Fennin Ro