Selling Bags in the Bazaar (Test Server)

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Yes, Fleeting quivers work. Heres a SS of the 3 bags i carry with me.

Sorry its a little squooshed. Had to shrink iot down to fit.

[Velurian]

I seriously, SERIOUSLY doubt that the price of haversacks will fall drastically.

The players running bots could already be accumulating ingredients for plenty of sacks and making them to order when they know they have a customer. Everything that goes into them stacks (except maybe the acorns, can't remember), so it's not THAT much inventory space. If this were going to be a major factor, I'd have expected a significant drop in price with the introduction of the auto-inventory command, since that would make it easier to create a forage-bot without running additional software. At least on E'ci, I haven't seen any such drop.

There will be some drop, as some people who found it too much of a hassle to stand in the bazaar shilling will enter the market. But contrary to popular conception, not every tradeskilled item dives to zero profit, and it's the items that (a) are a hassle to make/sell, (b) aren't part of a reasonable skillup path, and (c) take high skill to make reliably, that are typically most resistant to that pressure.

Haversacks are all three -- at most, this lessens (a) somewhat. My own highest-volume market -- Robes of Tempest from Erudite LoY tailoring -- are the same way, and the price didn't crash when Runes of Tempest started flooding the market with the release of LDoN. And the demand on my robes is MUCH, much lower -- almost everyone could use a haversack or two, and there's no better replacement for it, short of maybe a Grandmaster's bag.

In short, if haversacks are reliably selling for less than 4K on most servers two months after this goes live, I'll eat my Illusionists' Cap. There'll be a market shock immediately after the tokens go live, and sure, for a couple weeks maybe you'll see some insane prices. But there's no way it's permanent.

[Qaladar Bragollach]

Grandmaster bags are worse than haversacks. The only bags that in fact are better than haversacks are Treasure Hunter's Satchel (lore), Kavruul's Mystical Pouch (lore) (these are the 2 dragon bags) and Tae Ew Hide Sacks which are practically nonexistant.

[Aloca]

As a few have mentioned, BOTs are illegal in EQ. If someone's using one, they should be reported, and they will be caught and dealt with eventually.

Just my two coppers.

[Maevenniia]

To qualify that - MACRO-botted characters are illegal in EQ. A bot that someone runs without macros, while playing (ex: 2nd acct, on a 2nd computer, player hits the Forage hotkey every time the button refreshes.)

[Aloca]

Very true I was definitely referring to the Macro-Botted one because of folks commenting about characters left on 24/7 doing foraging with "no one at home" to be running the character.

[Mahlig]

Aye. I have multiple accounts and I bot my ranger in Kael to forage tufts while I play my other account (or sit at work as I am now). I personally mash the Forage key each time.

That said, I also have a very friendly and social halfling druid that makes the Haversacks. To date, I have made 31 (my skill is 188 now...2 skillups on bags and 1 on Hopper armor since I started at 185). My success rate has varied (was 5 of my first 6, but lately, 4 of 11), but that may be due to sample size. Overall, about 50% success rate. I have made 0pp on the bags. Each bag attempt costs me a bit over 1k to make (I get many BDs and all tufts for free). I have given away 30 of the 31 and keep 1 on my main (wizard). That reads about 31 bags in 60 (roughly attempts) at a personal cost of 1k per bag (that includes failures).

In summary, I am 60k in the hole making these bags, but I do so because I am who I am. I get great support from my friends in gathering tufts and BDs. It gives me pride to make someone smile and shout "WooT" because I hand them a bag and hit trade. Do I think that these tokens will be bad? Not at all. I look forward to it. As a maker of these bags, I can't wait. I have 40+ more bags requested, which means another 60k out of pocket for me. But I don't sweat it. I tradeskill because I like it. Not to make money. Hopefully, when I fulfill my orders, I will be able to make the bags more consistantly. You reap what you sew. And after the past weeks of near constant failures, my furrows should be plenty deep to get a healthy crop.

Kudos to this idea. Here is a tradeskilling halfling druid that hopes to see it come to fruition.

*** Bag attempts currently funded by sales of Robe of Tempest. Cash cow indeed.

[Lilosh]

Originally posted by TheCraftyBard
...Because Druids make up so much of the playerbase, and Halflings argueably offer the best starting stats for Druids. And to be 3l33t, you need the best statz.

But life just isn't fair. Not on Earth, and not on Norrath.

You're either a Halfing Druid, or having your EQ experience made less pleasent by one.

(I hope no offense is taken by the small but significant minority of Halfing Druids, who I'm sure are very wonderful people and have enriched the play experiences of anyone they've met.)

With all due respect, These two statements are very very obscene. I'm quite un-fond of all the halfling druid hate. *sigh* But then, I'm sure that those folks who have pre-determined that halfling druids are the root of all evil will continue to think so, and refuse to hear a single gripe that we have until the end of time.


Also, you all seem to have let most of my post go over your head. Haversacks were not my sole point. Yes, Haversacks will go to Hades in a Picnic Basket. So will what tiny shred of profit was left in Handmade Backs, and the budding market of Lemming Fur Backpacks. This is bad for any tailor who wants to try to recoup a fraction of the behemoth tailoring cost.

And to people who hate beyond hate that halflings have a single profitable recipe, I feel nothing but anger. ONE recipe by my enitre race has the ability to make a bit of money, and this angers you so much, that you seem to get joy when that may be coming to an end. Our druid armor has almost no market due to elysian, and the Paladin/Ranger armor has a very very limited market. Rather than, perhaps, noticing that cultural has been done RIGHT in this one instance, and discuss how to give other cultures similar items and make everyone have a use, ya'll would rather chuckle that the Tyrannous Reign of the halfling is over.

An entire thread about Bag selling in the bazaar, and the automation thereof has come to be little more then Halfling and Druid bashing. And adding cosoling statments to the end of offensive, generalizations doesn't make them sting any less.

I'm sorry if this post seems a bit heated, but I've noticed an undercurrent of druid and halfling hate in this game, and I wanted to , perhaps, point this out to the posters who seem to be advocating this behavior, in hopes that maybe my race/class combo can gain a modicum of respect from the populace.



Druid, Halfling, Tailor, Friend, and All around nice guy,

[eniamn]

i duo quad with a halfling druid in my guild. i love druids and love halflings. (hot N spicey toelings not withstanding) i just wish a bit more of the forages were dropped or could be made. would any halfling tailor be upset if a lq dire wolf fur and skinning knife made 2 tufts? i doubt it and it would give me something to do with them instead of let them rot because they weigh too much for their price. (/em admits he needs a 100% wr bag. oh the irony)

trying to tradeskill you see peeps selling all these forages that cost them nothing like justice fruit, tufts of fur, ldon gems and tempers. in the bazaar ldon tempers can be 100pp while 10pp off vendor. its not halfling druid hate so much as forager annoyance.

as a wizard i am also very dependent on enchanters in my tradeskills. not going there.

i have guildies who normally supply me with foraged stuff if i ask nicely and dont want like 400 yew leaves or tea leaves or something. it just gets tiring. i would like a drop on most of this stuff. uncommon i would take just want a drop.

it looks like robe of tempest is the erudite cash cow. what other tailoring races are there? much love to druids and rangers (ranger alt for fun with bows and foraging) and enchanter (enchanter twink getting to 12 to make my on mana vials for wus). just upset with the price of a lot of the stuff in bazaar. will be massive puppy slaughter the day you can get tufts from dire wolf pelts though. see if i can trade 200 for a sack hehe.

[Sadine]

With all due respect, These two statements are very very obscene. I'm quite un-fond of all the halfling druid hate. *sigh* But then, I'm sure that those folks who have pre-determined that halfling druids are the root of all evil will continue to think so, and refuse to hear a single gripe that we have until the end of time.

So you mean until Quarm is dead?

[Maisie]

would any halfling tailor be upset if a lq dire wolf fur and skinning knife made 2 tufts?

Nope I would love it.

I am a Halfling tailor, but I can't forage, I am a Cleric.

Just like not all halflings are jerks, not all halflings are Druids...........


Maisie "I am sick of being asked for SoW" McDoodle
CLERIC of Bristlebane
Fennin Ro

[Zzirf]

To me this comes down to two basic issues - economics and gameplay. If the prices drop so low that people are not going to make the bags anymore, then demand increases and the price will rise. Just because it won't be as profitable as it was before doesn't mean that you're not making a profit, does it? Who out there (botted or not) is going to make ANYTHING and sell it at a loss?

As far as gameplay, I don't know about you, but I would much rather exp/tradeskill/do quests/or just about anything rather than sit in PoK or Bazaar /oocing to sell bags. I mean, we each pay our $12.95 a month and can do whatever we please with that time, but that doesn't sound like much fun to me.

It just sounds like the issues are more that the profitability is being limited, not that its going away.

Just my thoughts,

Snoopp Froggyfrog
Arcanist of Talionis

[Marteeny]

And to people who hate beyond hate that halflings have a single profitable recipe, I feel nothing but anger. ONE recipe by my enitre race has the ability to make a bit of money, and this angers you so much, that you seem to get joy when that may be coming to an end.

Hating Halfling Druids is just silly. Stereotyping in general is just stupid. There is good and bad in every avenue.

Now thinking that this should be implemented does not mean we are trying to screw over the halfling Druids. The way I look at it, it is more of a fix than anything.

Being an Enchanter, i'll compare it to extended affliction. For the longest time, EA worked to extend our debuffs on mobs. It was stated later that this was meant for dot's only. The change went live and many complained, but realistically, it was fixing something that was not forseen.

I'm sure it is likely the same thing with the bags. When the bazaar was designed, the thought of making a way to sell bags in trader mode was most likely overlooked. It is not a game changing bug so it was put on the back burner until an easy fix came to fruition. Now it's implemented and people will complain because they had it the way they liked it (even if it was not meant to be that way), but realistically, it should have been in the bazaar from day 1.

Now it will be subjected to the same depreciation that every other item in the bazaar is subjected to. They will drop in price some, but they will still be worthwhile.

So how long until they implement a system to sell mq's from the bazaar? It could happen.

[Lilosh]

Originally posted by eniamn
i duo quad with a halfling druid in my guild. i love druids and love halflings. (hot N spicey toelings not withstanding) i just wish a bit more of the forages were dropped or could be made. would any halfling tailor be upset if a lq dire wolf fur and skinning knife made 2 tufts? i doubt it and it would give me something to do with them instead of let them rot because they weigh too much for their price. (/em admits he needs a 100% wr bag. oh the irony)

trying to tradeskill you see peeps selling all these forages that cost them nothing like justice fruit, tufts of fur, ldon gems and tempers. In the bazaar ldon tempers can be 100pp while 10pp off vendor. its not halfling druid hate so much as forager annoyance.

1) I agree. The Dire Wolf Fur + Knife thing would be awesome. But almost every forage-needed item in the past TWO expansions also is lootable. LOY spell quest item, LOY Racial Robe Dye components, Every LDoN smithing temper. They've already implemented "would it be nice to loot forages".

2) Clearly you have never played a forager. Anyone who thinks that Yew Leaves, Misty Acorns, Oak Bark, or any one of a dozen foraged items cost "nothing" has never sat in a zone for 3-5 hours trying to forage one. Our time is valuable, just like everyone elses. For every forage we can get while4 crawling through an LDoN dungeon, foraging as we go, there are 2 or 3 we have to go to some godforsaken Velious/Kunark zone and do nothing but Forage for 2 hours.

But with the exception od the foraging comment, I definately liked your post. It's nice to see a "Halfling druids can be cool" post. Please don't take the above two points harshly, they weren't meant to be.


-Lilosh

[eniamn]

i am very happy with ldon and that you can loot the tempers. if only foraged i would have cried. some basic things like not all halflings are druids and no hie can forage should be looked at. needing one item foraged for my cultural would be ok (none as an erudite though thankfully) but 5+ per skill combine gets a bit much.

lol.

2) Clearly you have never played a forager. Anyone who thinks that Yew Leaves, Misty Acorns, Oak Bark, or any one of a dozen foraged items cost "nothing" has never sat in a zone for 3-5 hours trying to forage one. Our time is valuable, just like everyone elses. For every forage we can get while4 crawling through an LDoN dungeon, foraging as we go, there are 2 or 3 we have to go to some godforsaken Velious/Kunark zone and do nothing but Forage for 2 hours.

a very nice druid is in my guild. she hunted the kitties in ek for my tailoring while foraging tea leaves. i think she gave me 2 stacks worth buy the end of it. i didn't mention "Yew Leaves, Misty Acorns, Oak Bark, or any one of a dozen foraged items cost "nothing" " because they are super rare.

you might charge 100s of pp for time it took you to forage it instead of ezping or farming elsewhere. 100pp per temper that you forage 6 of in ldon over 1 hour while exping and looting anyway or 50pp for the justice fruit you foraged while exping and looting in the planes i think is unfair. i can live with it though. /shrug i can make a lot of non-foraged things or bug some of my foraging friends. same halfling druid friend i am trading mtps for veggies with.

edit been schooled oops. plant shoots dont drop from pandas bamboo shoots do. tired is my only defense. sorry for bad info.