Selling Bags in the Bazaar (Test Server)

[Renjah]

Originally posted by Yakk
Haversacks have massive price support.

Assuming you have HIGH tailoring skill I am FINALLY doing fairly well on them with 221 skill plus %5 mod. At 200-210 I broke even making them. Kept making to add more combines and work on skill. Once you get passed the 220 hump they can make some profit assuming you forage your own tufts and find BDs cheap enough...

[Wolfkind]

Originally posted by Yakk
Haversacks have massive price support.

Check the sell price on tink bags. Last I checked, it was 4750 pp.

How high do you have to get your charisma for that? Best I've ever seen was 5250

[Dunthor Warsmith]

I'm curious about why there is such animosity towards the halfling tailors and their blue diamond cultural. Its not like there haven't been racial inequalities before with tradeskill products - the old cultural and even the bd cultural have pretty significant differences in difficult of acquiring materials, size of market, and appeal to usable class/races. Yet people haven't bemoaned the fact (or at least not as vehmently reciently) that the fact that they are /traderable has destroyed the market for them, and that all those <insert race of choice> deserve it for having had an exclusive profitable item.

Bags have long been a unique and painful to sell market. Now they're finally being put on equal footing with all other items in the game for sellability. Why is this such a horrible thing? Is this thread essentially a thread about "the bazaar is bad, it destroys markets and ruins profits, I wish it didn't exist and we were back in GFay/EC/NFP"? If that's more the meaning of the thread, then I can understand it. But if it isn't, I'm just befuddled.

[eqNichola]

Originally posted by Yakk
Haversacks have massive price support.

Check the sell price on tink bags. Last I checked, it was 4750 pp.

Originally posted by Wolfkind
How high do you have to get your charisma for that? Best I've ever seen was 5250

5250 is the lowest NPC sell price; Yakk is talking about the highest NPC buy price.

[TheCraftyBard]

Originally posted by Dunthor Warsmith
I'm curious about why there is such animosity towards the halfling tailors and their blue diamond cultural.

...Because Druids make up so much of the playerbase, and Halflings argueably offer the best starting stats for Druids. And to be 3l33t, you need the best statz.

And because... between track, SoW, heals, snare, ports, and a high score in a tradeskill-oriented statistic (wisdom), Druids have a FAR easier time getting what they want than anyone else, whether it be mob drops or high tradeskill levels.

That adds up to a lot of players with the ability to churn out a lot of little bags.

And if the majority of the paying EQ userbase wants to get as rich and powerful as possible via the easiest way (ie. making and selling these little bags), that's probably what SOE is going to pander to.

And if enough of this paying EQ userbase is going to set up a simple macro to collect tufts of fur, and spend the rest of their play time killing hill giants, in order to gather the resources to make these little bags, SOE will probably STILL keep pandering to them.

That's a lot of little bags.

Sony wants people to keep paying and playing, while at the same time, create the illusion of a stable, player-run economy to reel in the people who would want to contribute to and sustain such a thing. I have the utmost admiration for those of you who take the time and effort to participate in this economy, and even more so when I watch your hard work invalidated by other players who aren't bothered by obstacles like "fair play", or "being pleasant", or "the EULA".

But life just isn't fair. Not on Earth, and not on Norrath.

You're either a Halfing Druid, or having your EQ experience made less pleasent by one.

(I hope no offense is taken by the small but significant minority of Halfing Druids, who I'm sure are very wonderful people and have enriched the play experiences of anyone they've met.)

[Daniel310864]

LOVE the Idea

This whole crashing-haversack-market-discussion misses the point i think.....

What I liked from the first moment in online-gaming was that (compared to BG etc.)
1. you could not be sure the item you considerd today will still be there tomorrow
2. each real-time hour you checked a merchant at a busy place he could have 10+ new items (happend to me with my first char: suddenly there where 5 crude iron bars for my truthbringer breastplate WOOHHAAA! )

Such things make the game feel REAL and if Varent isn't completly out of imagination the will drastically reduce drop items being available from NPC-merchants, which will open a whole new market where newbies could profit most.

And doesn't that soundmore economic then auctioning:
/shout:"I'm in Ro hunting spiders - anyone interested in silk, sacks&carapaces meet me at 10am outside the Inn please"

Speaking of economics - with virtually any player being able to act as a merchant will cause the same as in real life when garage sales happen: We sell directly to the customer without a middleman!

So most likely prices will drop - YES! but the amount of money being trasferred between chars directly will rise tremendously and that'll benefit the community as a whole.

[splunge]

'a Rallic Pack token' IS lore.

The tokens do NOT stack.

Still no Haversack, Vox/Naggy bag, Tae Ew, Tink bag tokens on Test.

Ill try what i have (Treasure hunters, Haversack, Fleeting Quiver) later today and report.

[Maevenniia]

Wonder if a Deluxe Sewing Kit would work?

[Galain]

I haven't seen a single valid argument against being able to sell these in the bazaar. Everything I have seen so far is either someone complaining because they can't make them, or someone complaining because the values may drop. The first argument is just pure whining. The second can be alleviated easily. Stop buying tufts at 50pp each. I have always hated the GD price gougers for tradeskill items. Don't feed the SoBs.

[Tinile]

...Because Druids make up so much of the playerbase, and Halflings argueably offer the best starting stats for Druids. And to be 3l33t, you need the best statz.

And because... between track, SoW, heals, snare, ports, and a high score in a tradeskill-oriented statistic (wisdom), Druids have a FAR easier time getting what they want than anyone else, whether it be mob drops or high tradeskill levels.

That adds up to a lot of players with the ability to churn out a lot of little bags.

...snip

Please don't go there. Most druids are wood elves, not halflings. Don't use this thread to druid bash. Bad karma dude.

[eniamn]

if you have a rallic pack in inventory does the token count it? i would doubt it but that means you could sell 4 rallic packs. 1 on you, 1 token on you, and 1 of each in shared bank.

[TheCraftyBard]

Originally posted by Tinile
Please don't go there. Most druids are wood elves, not halflings. Don't use this thread to druid bash. Bad karma dude.

Sorry... what was I thinking? Everyone's heard all this before.

No more talk on Dr00dz.

=|

[Wolfkind]

The argument about not wanting to see a price collapse is only an observation about what has happened with every other desirable tradeskill item in the game, and also the realization that the ones that will be making the money from the haversack tokens are going to be botted characters, since they will be able to make a handy profit from just running a character in the background churning out tufts for their bag maker while they sleep.

There are few avenues available to make plat in the game that don't involve killing mobs for items, and one thing that is cool about the bag market is that it is a unique source of revenue generation that doesn't involve running around and killing stuff.

If the market does collapse for haversacks, it won't mean the end of the world for the people who used to sell them, it will only mean that tailoring will once again become a "cute" enchantment to their character, somewhat akin to the ability to speak orcish.

[Cragzop]

Originally posted by Noni DeeCups
Cash cow? Trivial >250? Tailoring has cost me at least 400k and over 3 years to skill up to 240. All that just so I can what? Make these bags for you at cost? Buy a tink bag if you feel you are being ripped off so bad. Cash cow... that is truely offensive.

These bags are not a skill up path when they cost 3 blue diamonds, 3 platinum threads and 36 tufts fo fur per bag provided you have no fails on sub combines.

If this kills the market I will stop making them, just like I stopped baking.

Originally posted by Renjah
Assuming you have HIGH tailoring skill I am FINALLY doing fairly well on them with 221 skill plus %5 mod. At 200-210 I broke even making them. Kept making to add more combines and work on skill. Once you get passed the 220 hump they can make some profit assuming you forage your own tufts and find BDs cheap enough...

It seems not everyone agree with you Noni. There's also the post about clearing 'only' 24k a week on these bags using bazaar bought components. Face it - making Haversacks is a privaleged option for just a few. When you get high enough at it you can make money at it while still skilling up. I'm not upset that this is being balanced. It goes along the lines of the enchanter JC AA. Is that fair to the non-enchanter JC?

[eniamn]

not sure enchanter jc aa was a good idea. its a vastly unfair advantage when a 1% advantage would be devastating to others. enchanters already are a bottle neck so many recipes. you can't make non planar jewelry without them and they have a better success on the planar stuff that is really pricey to fail.

i dont mind that 220 skill plus halfling tailors can make money. wish we all had something cute to make for big bucks but we dont. i imagine if there weren't tink bags in game the price would already have crashed more on them. without a 100% wr bag on vendors to set price for what your superior product sells for at least that much i imagine several would have already killed the market. what would the bags sell at if they weighed even a little more than the tink bag. they would be the bag to use until you got to the tink bag and 4k tops. only because of the tink bags weighing more and costing what they do has the price stayed so high for so long.

if someone is botting report them.

dont pay 50 pp in the bazaar for tufts. go to gd and ew and thurg and offer 10pp each and see how many dont want to mess with bazaar. i know i hate the bazaar and i can tolerate a lot. if your guild does any kael raids act in the bs channel for the tufts after the raid to make bags with. many would prolly be fine giving it to a guildie i know my guild is great about helping each other out. use the strategies ppl used before the bazaar. and good luck.

edit and i think tufts of dire wolf fur should drop from dire wolf mobs or be from skinning an lq or ruined dire wolf fur/pelt down. foraging shouldn't be the only source of anything.