Buckets of Crab Legs - prices?

[Cigarskunk]

As he said they don't bother to go down there and farm them they just make do with what they end up with killing a few of the mobs here and there raiding the named. That provides them with enough to cover their needs but not enough that they are willing to sell them or use them regularly as food. Simply put theses aren't the natural spot people camp when they are looking for something to kill so if they are down there camping them it's probably for a reason and that probably isn't to sell them in the bazaar.

That's perfectly acceptable and it's not as though I'm demanding that his guild go out and farm them for the rest of us - like I said, if a guild really doesn't have any of a resorce to spare, then I've got nothing against them reserving said resource for themselves and I would hope that the rest of my fellow bakers feel the same way. My arguements have been very consistantly aimed at those who have real surplusses but for whatever reasons, are refusing to make them public - I thought that would have been obvious to most folks, but maybe not it appears. :?:

[Khambatt Mhedic]

Wont bother quouting .. but jesus Cigar... are you that narrow sighted that you didnt read my whole email and see the cackle comment as i forcefeed some BPPs as a JOKE.

I wont get into this anymore ... the long story short is when you are elemental, you will go to water and get your crabs and make your BPPs.

Fear not .. Sony has screwed up the game so much, it's only a matter of time before they take all the flags off all the zones and anyone can walk on in and get them.

[Spyght]

Surplus is a relative term. No one is obligated to decide they have enough and therefore sell. They aren't obligated to go through the (admittedly minor) effort of force feeding themselves to not "waste" stat food.

[Ryche]

Ryche - you tried claiming that the claws were uber rare drops and that your guild didn't even have enough to spare for your own people, yet others have pointed out that they are so plentiful that they can even afford to waste them - that's what made you look silly. If your guild is not powerful enough yet to farm these things with impunity, then simply say so - otherwise you just make yourself and your guild look silly trying to make claims contrary to everyone elses.

Not once did I say that we couldn't farm these with impunity. I said we weren't willing to do that because it's such a PITA just for crab legs that we get while raiding. Please skunk, learn some reading comprehension skills because you are making yourself look awfully silly.

If you're able to get enough claws for one bucket (counting failures) in less than two minutes, then either these two guilds have the worst bakers this side of SoL or they've simply descided that me having a no-drop peice of nice stat food is a significant threat to thier uberness.

My arguements have been very consistantly aimed at those who have real surplusses but for whatever reasons, are refusing to make them public - I thought that would have been obvious to most folks, but maybe not it appears. :?:

I think those two quotes are enough said about how Skunk changes his story to fit a response that suits his needs. Skunk, my only beef with you was you insulting and attacking my guild when you simply did not understand the situation one iota. All you've done is make silly arguments and try to backtrack and others have called you on it.

I'm done posting in this thread as the points have been made many times already: crab legs are a pain to farm, hardly anyone will farm them willingly, unless you've earned the right to be in the elemental planes you have not earned the right to have crab legs (but count yourself lucky if some guild does sell some). And cigar, you hammer on others for reading comprehension but sheesh, go back and read ALL of your posts in this and other threads and then maybe you'll figure out why people jump on you.

[random user]

They are enough of a pain that even if someone was offering 2kpp per bucket of crab legs I would be uninterested in trying to get a group together to try and acquire them.

I got enough to make my BPP's for my earrings and a couple for food; it is unlikely I'll go back down there to get more crab legs.

Edit: Maybe rather than plat, something that might induce me to go back there would be an offer of other rare tradeskill items. For example, if someone had a some obsidianwood sap, or perhaps flawless tae ew hides, etc that might be a better incentive. While many of those items are also elemental and thus probably as unattainable, it is possible you'll have better luck acquiring those on the open market.

- Xylem

[Soulfiend]

I spose you could compare it to making dough from Dragon eggs, in a way.

[Gargazon]

So in a nutshell, even at 2kpp a bucket, these aren't worth farming? Are you serious? I understand some other ingredients are worth more, but they are also insanely rare. You can gather up a LOT of crab legs in the same ammount of time you can gather one of the others since these are a common drop from what I gather. So is it a matter of not needing the cash at all? or is it a matter of being told by your guilds, we need <this> ingredient for the guild. So everyone will be farming it. ???

[Troodon]

I spose you could compare it to making dough from Dragon eggs, in a way.

Er, I've actually done so, hehe. To be honest this is before I realized what they were for, once I had the fishing skill to seriously look at the blessed fishing rod recipe. (The eggs were given to me by a ranger in the guild who foraged them on a ToV raid.)

I've made an open offer to the foragers in my guild (many of whom often fight in Western Wastes) that if they provide me with any dragon eggs they forage I'll give anyone in the guild who needs them treated silk fibres for free out of my succesful attempts. If I can get a decent supply of dragon eggs I can pretty much skip wu's in my tailoring, hehe.

Sadly ever since I got high enough to raid ToV every raid our guild was supposed to go on there got cancelled for some reason, either already camped or lack of sufficient clerics. I'd be hitting my forage button non-stop if I finally get there, hehe.

Drake and wyvern eggs are a really efficient way to make dough rather than typically snake egg farming, hehe. But won't waste dragon eggs for that purpose, should I be fortuante enough to get any more.

[Khambatt Mhedic]

So in a nutshell, even at 2kpp a bucket, these aren't worth farming? Are you serious?

Nope ... Think of it along the lines of .. .would you go to kedge and swim down to Phinny to forage say .. ohh ... rusty swords ... to sell in Bazaar? Cause to *ME*, that's what it's like. I go to water one time a week ... and even that is too much for me.

or is it a matter of being told by your guilds, we need <this> ingredient for the guild. So everyone will be farming it. ???

Actually it's more like "I can farm (this) ingredient for the guild ... you guys farm (that) (that) and (that) and we can bang this out in 1/2 the time at double the volume and not have to do this crap again". Something along the lines of team work ... all for one one for all ... yaddie yaddie. The guild doesnt TELL us sh!t .. .we do it because it helps the whole.

Another example .. our guild has 1 person making elemental trade skill armor and crafted items. He does it for raid mains only .. they can not be traded, sold, given to twinks, and when the item is upgraded it goes back to the guild. You can of course exp in the elemental planes to get the items yourself and do what you want with them (though we all AGREE on not selling them or even taking them outside the guild, but twinking is ok) ... not so much to HAMPER others .. but it's a matter of we earned our way in .. with blood, sweat, tears, and time ... and these are our rewards. We relish them, cherish them, hold them close to our chest, and applaud those who follow in our footsteps with the same accomplishments.


People will cry foul ... elitist ... etc ... sorry. I guess it's your opinion and you're entitled to it.

BTW ... i recently made 10 dragon eggs into dough to make enough Justice Fruit Pies to give to about 20 people so they could each have 5 attempts at BPPs ... (edit) not to deny others of them, but because i have a 54 druid I can get to WW real quick and hit forage a few times while I raid, and then gate those eggs back to me.

[Wandor]

So in a nutshell, even at 2kpp a bucket, these aren't worth farming? Are you serious?

I can say with a pretty good degree of certainty that anyone who has actually fought in PoW would agree that 2kpp a bucket is not worth the effort. It would be hard to put a price on the pain in the ass involved. When you combine fighting underwater with mobs that hit insanely hard, have a jillion hitpoints, and have a tendancy to warp when they touch walls makes the entire experience very unattractive. No one in their right mind farms regrua unless they need claws for themselves.

If I needed the plats I could certainly go find something else in the elemental planes to farm for much less effort, much less of a PITA, and a lot bigger profit.

[random user]

To give you an example, we put together a group of 6 and went to earth for 2-3 hours. We made 2 of the jc rings, got 2/3 of a tailored silk piece of earth done, got some vines for the stonewood bow, and got one of the pieces to make the temper to make the plate/chain/leather.

Though those results may be above average, they are certainly not astronomically good. I'm not sure about your server, but on our server each ring would sell for ~100k, the tailored piece anywhere from 10-50k depending on which piece was made, the stonewood bow for 150k+, and probably 10-70k for a piece of leather/chain/plate. (Nevermind that we wouldn't sell them anyways as we still have people who need each of these items.)

On top of that, we were killing at zone in, with 0 chance of death, and killing at a decent rate.

Compare that to water where ideally you want to take 8 or so people (2 wars w/defensive and/or 2 clr for rotation and then assorted damage... doable with 6 (we did it with 6) but more of a hassle), you have to invis to the location (and it's quite far in), you have to fight underwater, you can't have dc or other pets, one lapse = dead person or potential wipe with no real chance of easy cr etc etc.

It's just not worth it really, at least not for me.

- Xylem, E'ci

[Delfontes]

Well, I'm more than convinced.

If I wasn't before, I have been to KK once or twice, and I just hate it. I couldn't imagine the difficulty involved in fighting mobs hitting that hard in the water.

Anyhow, this needs to go to primal scream or get closed I think, the argument is won.

Sorry Cigar, if someone told me to farm stuff in KK to sell in bazaar I'd go to RM and slaughter some giants while laughing about the suggestion.

[Gargazon]

Ahhh, ok. I didn't realize this since I am only flagged for some of the tier 2 and 3 planes, none of the elementals. Didn't realize it was that much of a PITA.

[Camisa Lionhearted]

REBEL AGAINST THESE CRAB HOGGERS!

As uber bakers i say we rebel against these uber pplz keeping the legs from us and not let those fake quick skillup bakers get all the legs ....
evil

KILL THE DEFIANT!

[Gorgin]

Wow haven't read this thread in awhile but man did it get a bit out of control, anyways you get about 80buckets per hour(bout a stack of claws per 70mins I think is our average time) IF you choose to farm them. It's not terribly easy but once you get used to fighting there it's not much different then anywhere else. It can be done with a druid, a warrior and a cleric as well if you want(have done it with myself, Blitzberg and Sylvana of Talisman if you want to look at our magelos to see what we wear talismanguild.org is our website so you can see what kind of stuff that we wear that allows us to trio them), bringing more people just makes it easier and helps prevent wipeouts or bad pulls.

To Cigarskunk I didn't mean to mislead you saying that crab legs are super common and guilds were swimming in them, if you don't go exp down there you'll only get like 20buckets every 3-4 days, but if you wanted to farm them you would be swimming in them rather easily.