Buckets of Crab Legs - prices?

[Khambatt Mhedic]

"Uber Guilds" are saving their buckets for two reasons:
1)Non-baking melee use them as typical "stat foods". While many do force feed and have Metabo3, they still end up eating them over time, so they have to be replenished
2)Baking toons use them to make BPP's for typical "Stat foods". And again, they get eaten.

So no, most "uber guilds" are not giving out OR selling buckets. They stay in the family and get used for the family.

And not only are buckets going to 250 bakers, but sometimes justice fruits/pies are too. I have a 54 druid that I leave in POJ foraging while we raid. Our typical raids are about 6 hrs a night, 10 hrs on weekends. I came up with 21 justice fruits in a 6 hour period for 3 nights in a row. Considering 1 fruit = 1 pie, and you need 2 pies per BPP, that makes 20 BPP's assuming no failures. Most people are making 5-10 BPP attempts, or 10-20 BPPs. Which means between about the 20 people who are 250+, we need about 200 pies which means .. whatever .. point is, the stuff is rare or hard to come by, and it goes out to people in the guild.

this is bound to fall into the same category as it being unfair that 90% of the population wont see certain zones or kill certain mobs. The quest involves drops off elemental gods. Just like the gate neck does. It's the benefit of being among the top guilds i guess. Not trying to be "elitist" about it ... just saying there are some things people will get, and some things people wont .. and this is one that'll fall into the wont for a long while.

[random user]

BPP's being eaten as regular food is certainly no worse than destroying elemental molds and patterns, which also happens.

- Xylem

[Ryche]

I've yet to see them for sale in the bazaar on Xev - I asked our only two guilds that have elemental flags (spoke with folks claiming to be the leaders) and was told hands down that they aren't releasing the claws to the general public right now because thier own chefs need "every claw they can get."

If you're able to get enough claws for one bucket (counting failures) in less than two minutes, then either these two guilds have the worst bakers this side of SoL or they've simply descided that me having a no-drop peice of nice stat food is a significant threat to thier uberness.

Almost makes not being able to make the party platter worth it - my little 53 troll SK is a "threat" to them - WOOT!

Ok Mr. Skunk, let me lay it out for you since I am in one of these guilds on Xev (AV). Crabs legs are hard to come by. I don't care what anyone else says, the only place to get them is clear the hell down in PoW where only sane people go with a raid force to kill the named mobs. Sure an xp group could go down there and try to farm legs at very high risk and for little xp because of the down time. We are NOT going to go down there to farm legs to sell to whiners like you that think we are just out to "hold the little guy down." I personally have my baking to 250, am working on the earring quest and don't even have any legs myself.

Now quit whining about those of us that have worked hard to get the rewards we have earned because we don't just hand over stuff to those of you that have not earned it yet.

[Gargazon]

???

I must have missed something, I thought he waslooking to buy some, not have them handed to him, but if they are that hard to come by, it would certainly explain why there are none for sale.

[Cigarskunk]

Ryche, I'm not going to bother making you look silly by pointing out all of your peers who have noted below my comments that these things are being used as standard food for their guild (without force feeding) and thier rather wasteful treatment of these items in general.

Let's also not forget the original poster's statements about scoring 70 buckets in just two hours as well.

So all said, this is not some super rare precious commodity for most elemental flagged guilds.

Gargazon, you are correct, I wasn't looking for a handout. I am willing to do whatever is in my character's power to make a fair exchange for these - if they want plat, that wasn't an issue, if they wanted to do trades - a backpack full of MTPs, or maybe celestial essences or aquiring some other item(s) that was within my capabilities but was not worth thier time producing, I'd be more than happy to do so.

Ryche's clame that I'm some "whiner" who's looking for something that I "haven't earned" is patently untrue. I have a deep love of tradeskills, I'm not some yahoo who views skilling them up as some burden or time sink I must perform in order to score some uber item - I've got more respect for someone who's a member of the 1750 club (and higher for the more psychotic shaman, gnomes, rogues and researchers) then someone who's 65th with max flags and AAs.

I don't require anyone to agree with what I'm about to say, this is simply my attitude, but as someone with a real love of tradeskills and someone who skilled up baking to 250 because I wanted to be a GM baker, I make it my mission to cook everything that can possibly be cooked - that's max AA for me, if I can say that I've personally had a successful combine of and eaten EVERY food that I can possibly make.

I'm proud to say that I have almost achieved this goal and that realistically speaking, this is the only recipe which I need to depend upon others to help me aquire.

I'm going to be the first hybrid in my guild to have the 8th shawl and from what I'm hearing from other high level SKs, I could very well be the first Troll SK on this server to do so as well. However, with the exception of tailoring (erf!) I didn't mind any of the skilling that I've needed to do and will need to do in order to get my skills where they need to be to do this since I was going to max them out anyway, not because I had to but because I wanted to.

Now, I'm not so elitist as to say "step aside and let us REAL tradeskillers have these items" - then I'd be no better than those telling myself and others that we don't deserve them because "we didn't earn the right to them."

I'm simply pointing out why us GM bakers are feeling a bit upset at this seemingly consistant holding back of this item - there may be a small percentage of folks who will be able to gain a real advantage in doing the quest that requires the end product, but for the vast majority of us, we aren't a threat to your uberness, we aren't going to surpass you if you make these available to the general public -heck, 90% of us will probobly never even come close to you.

So, if your uber guild isn't quite uber enough to farm these with impunity, then that's fine, it's a rare commodity for you. But if you're capable of scoring these in such quantities that you're using it for non-forcefeed eating, please realise that you aren't going to lose your edge by tossing a few on a guild mule for a few hundred plat or making a few arangements with us little guys to trade.

[Cigarskunk]

Just in case there's any misunderstanding -

I don't feel any real anger towards the guilds which have a surplus and aren't making them available in some form to the general public.

I don't feel that they are withholding the claws due to any malace on thier part.

I feel that it's mainly just a simple case of misplaced competitiveness.

For example, the recipe to the Serubane weapons - no matter how you felt about the topic, we can all agree that withholding that info gave those guilds a real competitive edge - it was something which they could genuinely justify because handing out that info would put them at a real disadvantage in the game they're playing.

This is something different though - making these available to the general public will not suddenly result in any of the rest of the players out there suddenly being able to compete with these guilds. I'm not being sarcastic here or anything - we are not a threat to you.

So all said, it's not any meaness on the part of the ubers, they've just been playing in a very cutthroat environment for so long that they don't know any other way to act.

[Zedzed]

buckets of crab legs

On Povar, I always used to keep buckets of crab legs for sale on my trader, for a mere 100pp per. The only people who bought them were from the high-level guilds. On their own, they make a nice raid stat food. I also used to sell Poppers, too.

Since the parts are all so hard to get, (especially for me, an extremely casual player), I stopped selling the few I have left once the Brell's Party Platter recipe was discovered, as I have no idea how to price them anymore.

Zedzed
Preserver of Povar

[Ryche]

Ryche, I'm not going to bother making you look silly by pointing out all of your peers who have noted below my comments that these things are being used as standard food for their guild (without force feeding) and thier rather wasteful treatment of these items in general.

Skunk, then I won't bother making you look silly by pointing out you have absolutely no clue if we or the other planes guilds on xev are using these as stat food or force feed food. YOU HAVE NO CLUE. But I'll give you a small clue, we don't. The only claws we have are from full force raids killing the bosses. Just because one person on this board stated that they took the time and pain to go to the bottom of PoW to farm claws does not mean we all wish to. We will get enough claws from raids for those of us to do the quest and maybe a few extra for others to make the platter for stat food.

Just because you have a high skill in a tradeskill does NOT give you the privilege to have access to all baking items in the game. Just like being level 65 with 600 AA does not give you the right to get elmental molds off planar gods or get access to uber elemental bow components. You have to go through the motions and the work for those particular items to get them. If there are an abundance of crab legs on some server and they want to open them to the public, good for them. But for you to act like we are jerks for not farming them and making them available to you is just plain stupid.

So please, get a clue before accusing us of holding something back from you to hold you down or prevent you from having it.

[kiatek]

re

Dear Ryche,

You need to tone down your attitude just a little. It is offensive to me to read your responses to Cigar, so I can't imagine how you are making him feel. If you want to make people feel belittled choose another place to do it. It has been very apparent to me that Cigar was just trying to enquire as to the availability of this item-not looking for a free handout or a lecture from someone about how he shouldn't whine or complain because he cannot get something "uber."

[Ryche]

Dear kiatek and others:

I do not intend to be offensive but rather defensive. If you will recall in this and other threads it was skunk that insulted my and other guilds on the server. I'm sorry if I did offend anyone as that was not my intention.

[Khambatt Mhedic]

Cigar .. with all due respect to you, your game play, and your love for treadskills ... what has given you the "right" to bake everything in the game? What has given you the "right" to have access to every component in the game? If you were a tailor, would you have this same "right" to the items to make the Elemental Robe? Or a fletcher to make the elemental bows? Those items are rare drops from mobs in Elemental planes that make items far superior to most other drops in the game. They're the pinnicle (sp) of those class tradeskilling, MUCH like the BPP. And they are coveted by these "uber guilds" to enhance the equipment of their already well equipped members.

The same philosophy moves on to BPPs. Crabs drop in a tier 4 zone. They are not super rare, but they are not easy to get to nor common drops. They make regular stat food for most non-baking melee, and bpp's as stat-food for bakers. Either way, these items do get consumed. They are viewed as another piece of equipment, that better enchances the potential of the person who has it. Giving more stats/hp/mana, etc.

Saying it's selfish is your opinion, and of course, your right to that opinion. However, I dont believe it's any more selfish than not giving out spells that only drop of Emp or Seru or Rhags. Would your argument be the same if you were a lower tier guild cleric that didnt have Greater Remove Curse? That is an item that drops off a mob you wont probably ever get to take down in your EQ career. And most guildes, even those "uber guilds" have people in guild after farming Rhag1 for months STILL dont have a copy. Does that mean YOU should ahve the right to buy it? No.

Elemental guilds arent holding out to shaft anyone. They're holding out because they use it. It's not like they wring their hands greedly and cackle madly saying "GONNA FUQ SOME NEWB TODAY" and delete the crab claws! They make the bucket and give it to their tanks or bakers to sue.

End result is people will feel gyped and complain ... nothing will change that. Not everything in this game is available to everyone. it's been that way from the start, and will be that way ... people will still feel "entitled" and flame ... it's just the way it goes.

Me, I'm gonna go forcefeed one of my 6 BPP's and cackle!

[Delfontes]

Me, I'm gonna go forcefeed one of my 6 BPP's and cackle!

ROFL

Reading this and other threads, I honestly think that is about how Cigar sees it.

If I am lucky I'll be in elemental planes sometime after EQ3 comes out and they open it to all lvl 70's. If before then crab legs are cheap in bazaar, fantastic, but I don't expect to be able to make a BPP until I can get to tier 4.

Just the way it goes, on Brell there are still only 2 elemental guilds in the game, and very few items being sold that are from those tiers. Heck, I still don't see Hero sandwiches in bazaar, hehe.

So basically in summation, if some guy that has dedicated his life to EQ wants to destroy items and cackle with glee... they are his items to destroy and I can't do anything about it, so why complain?

[Khambatt Mhedic]

Me, I'm gonna go forcefeed one of my 6 BPP's and cackle!

So basically in summation, if some guy that has dedicated his life to EQ wants to destroy items and cackle with glee... they are his items to destroy and I can't do anything about it, so why complain?

That's the only line I had a problem with Delf =) We dont dedicate our lives to EQ. We just dont. It's the common misconception that the top tier guildes are full of pimplefaced teens who come home from school and EQ for 10-15 hours day. In reality, most of us are 25-30, have jobs, families, and lives. Hell, I'm a 32 year old accountant who works 12-15 hrs a day, commutes 2 hours a day, has a wife and kid, and STILL gets in high play time to get in the Elemental planes with the top guild on Zeb =)

Anyway .. Everything trickles down in time ... just people shouldnt begrudge those who get them first!

[Cigarskunk]

I'm not sure what messages you are replying to Ryche and Khambatt, but from your responses, it's 100% obvious that you are not comprehending my thoughts or intent in the least bit.

Just in case there's any misunderstanding -

I don't feel any real anger towards the guilds which have a surplus and aren't making them available in some form to the general public.

I don't feel that they are withholding the claws due to any malace on thier part.

You both are insisting that I've got some kind of hatered or jealousy or something for the uber guilds which are withholding these ingredients - my statement should make it perfectly clear to any sane person that this is not the case.

Ryche - you tried claiming that the claws were uber rare drops and that your guild didn't even have enough to spare for your own people, yet others have pointed out that they are so plentiful that they can even afford to waste them - that's what made you look silly. If your guild is not powerful enough yet to farm these things with impunity, then simply say so - otherwise you just make yourself and your guild look silly trying to make claims contrary to everyone elses. Re-read this -

So, if your uber guild isn't quite uber enough to farm these with impunity, then that's fine, it's a rare commodity for you. But if you're capable of scoring these in such quantities that you're using it for non-forcefeed eating, please realise that you aren't going to lose your edge by tossing a few on a guild mule for a few hundred plat or making a few arangements with us little guys to trade.

... what has given you the "right" to bake everything in the game? What has given you the "right" to have access to every component in the game?

Nothing - I never said that I had a right to anything if you recall - your question is moot - if anything, you should recall this statement by me -

Now, I'm not so elitist as to say "step aside and let us REAL tradeskillers have these items" - then I'd be no better than those telling myself and others that we don't deserve them because "we didn't earn the right to them."

I dont believe it's any more selfish than not giving out spells that only drop of Emp or Seru or Rhags

My point simply is that if there's a surplus, then there's no real point in holding back to the general public.

Like I've already said, it's not like selling/trading these with folks outside of your guild is going to hurt you guys in any way, shape or form, so if you've got a real surplus, what is the harm done?

The only arguement that you guys have put forth thus far is that the rest of us didn't earn these and therefor don't deserve them no matter how many you've got to spare.

Me, I'm gonna go forcefeed one of my 6 BPP's and cackle!

That's the only line I had a problem with Delf =) We dont dedicate our lives to EQ. We just dont. It's the common misconception that the top tier guildes are full of pimplefaced teens who come home from school and EQ for 10-15 hours day. In reality, most of us are 25-30, have jobs, families, and lives. Hell, I'm a 32 year old accountant who works 12-15 hrs a day, commutes 2 hours a day, has a wife and kid, and STILL gets in high play time to get in the Elemental planes with the top guild on Zeb =)

Your first comment makes it rather hard to beleive the second one - childish and petty remarks like that are just plane spiteful and inapropiate.

I said - I don't feel that they are withholding the claws due to any malace on thier part.

Then Khambatt said - Elemental guilds arent holding out to shaft anyone. They're holding out because they use it. It's not like they wring their hands greedly and cackle madly saying "GONNA FUQ SOME NEWB TODAY" and delete the crab claws! They make the bucket and give it to their tanks or bakers to sue.

Sigh, you guys really aren't paying attention, are you?

/em walks away shaking his head

[Taraddar]

Ryche - you tried claiming that the claws were uber rare drops and that your guild didn't even have enough to spare for your own people, yet others have pointed out that they are so plentiful that they can even afford to waste them - that's what made you look silly. If your guild is not powerful enough yet to farm these things with impunity, then simply say so - otherwise you just make yourself and your guild look silly trying to make claims contrary to everyone elses.

I think your missing the point. The claws aren't that rare of a drop in my experience so that is correct. The problem is they are not easy mobs to kill, they are deep in the zone and the zone it's self is a pain in the rear to hunt in being underwater. Combine that with the limited number of people who have access to the zone and while it may be possible to go down there with a group and a half or less and farm a fair number of these in a relatively short period of time that doesn't mean that every does that or wants to do that.

As he said they don't bother to go down there and farm them they just make do with what they end up with killing a few of the mobs here and there raiding the named. That provides them with enough to cover their needs but not enough that they are willing to sell them or use them regularly as food. Simply put theses aren't the natural spot people camp when they are looking for something to kill so if they are down there camping them it's probably for a reason and that probably isn't to sell them in the bazaar.

Being uninterested in doing something and unable to do it are 2 completely different things. Anyone able to get into the elemental planes and kill the named in there can definitely handle the mobs needed to get the claws.

There are plenty of common drops, even drops every time items that aren't common items to obtain simply because the mob or location they drop isn't a location people would commonly camp. I'll try and use examples that mirrors this situation. Take slugids for example. Not even a particularly difficult mob even for the zone they are in and the parts for the baking reciepe are common. If these where regularly hunted the parts should be so common to the point of being nearly worthless yet my experiences watching the bazaar is that isn't the case. I rarely see the poppers or parts for sale in the bazaar. Why? Because these aren't the mobs people camp in the zone normally. You got to PoN and your camping the spiders, trees, raves or werewolfs. No one goes to PoN to camp the slugids or the goblins or if they do they likely have a specific reason so don't end up selling the components. Take this same type of situation mobs harder, the zone access restricted and throw them in an underwater dungeon for good measure and you've got an idea of the situation with the claws.

You want another example how bout lotus parts? They are pretty much a peice of cake to get to. Should be able to get to most or all of them with out even needing and invis let alone a flag to the zone. Yet they still remain rarely hunted. Sure there are ways to kill them pretty easily and any number of people could but they doesn't change the fact that they aren't regularly killed. Something being a common drop doesn't nessicarily mean that it's something that is commonly availible.

Sure if someone in the elemental planes wants them they can go get them reasonably enough but they just aren't something people are going to end up with a ton of just because they happen to be hunting the mobs anyway and there for aren't likely to end up in the bazaar.