Cestus Dmg/Dly : This will be Nerfed soon I Imagine

[Daikoku Ashikaga]

Example of a level 45 recomended 2hdr, this little jobbie was not even an interesting kill to achive for a level 65 necro solo, or a duo of a 65 sk/59 cleric, net bazaar value,800pp, on TP

Battleworn Ch'Ror
Slot: PRIMARY , Damage: 32 Delay: 34
Damage Bonus: 38 (lvl 65)
Sta: +5 Agi: +5 HP: +40
Weapon Skill: Two Hand Blunt
Classes: Warrior Monk Shadowknight Paladin Ranger
Races: Human Half Elf High Elf Wood Elf Erudite Barbarian Dark Elf Gnome Troll Ogre Iksar Vah Shir Froglok


The race issue is a little boggling, why Gnome, but no halfling and no dwarf.

So relitive to this

Pale Velium Bastard Sword:

2hs:
Dmg 24
Atk Delay 30
Str 12, Wis 12, Int 12, Agi 12, Sv fire cold magic 10
Wt 6.0
Class: War Pal Rng Shd
Race: All
Slot 1, Type 4
Slot 2, Type 7

565 in Velium bars, assuming no fails, it has 0AC, 0 HP, a sup par DMG/DLY, which matters most at the 40-50 end until the damage bonus kicks in, in theory, maybe the sword would have a better potential damage output at 51-55, I seriously doubt any non uber twink would have the atk to actually make that happen

Yay, the 'Please-don't-ever-allow-a-weapon-worth-making-into-the-game' squad wins again

There fore that quote above is still valid. pale velium, with any form of rec level, is out of the market unless it has a supercool look, which is still not going to factor in to a large sector of the market.

Also the aligned sword (20/40) Akigned Bastard Sword is utterly blown out of the water and near impossible to giveaway with things like the (30/46) Hammer of Rage out there that is basicly junk loot for people farming armor (Duo's farming armor, one being a sub 60 alt) Kael was SK/Cleric duoable since early SoL, took near the best equiped back then (to 2-box duo), now, that is no longer the case.

One thing the Tae Ew has going for it was 100hp. 100hp is 100hp and it was a good sell point for low 50's people, what we are seeing here has not been an upgrade to Tae Ew even. may there be, yes, will it take the usual Time Equiped people to get, likely, Will it have vendor components costing mass cash, likely which I feel is wrong.

Dai

[Tingteng]

Ecellent post Daikoku

[Reph]

The Rec. and Req. levels should have been the greatest thing going for Smiths. It could have provided a way for SoE to specifically target items at certain level ranges and achieve a balance with dropped items.
Using ingredients dropping in certain locations, for instance ele planes, you could then have 3 limiters on items (triv level, rec and/or req level and drop location). You could even throw in high-priced store bought items to remove a lot of plat from the game - which seems to be the in-thing currently.

Instead, we get lack-luster weapons and only very rarely armour that is actually worth making to sell. Blue Diamond Cultural, while probably a bit *too* good, and Ele PoP Armours are the level you need to be aiming at. Not more 25/40 2h weapons when everyone and his dog are using 1:1 ratio or better and buying them for 1k.

[Kronepsis]

Well...

It's not that the weapons suck per se, it's just that they have better things at that level. So if the recommended level was something like 30 or so, people would probably like these again.

[Daikoku Ashikaga]

It's not that the weapons suck per se, it's just that they have better things at that level.

This contridicts it self pretty hearsh

level 51 has a myriad of weapons, of even tradeskill weapons that blow the pale velium out of the water, there others that do the samething with a level 45 rec on them. then there is the Argent Protector, I should look it up, but last I checked it didn't ave a rec level, and the reaver 40/40, now magic, with no rec level.

for a wepon that cost about 600pp an atempt, if you don't need to payy an enchanter and farm the dropables yourself, I would say even without a rec level it is just marginal to sad.

Dai

[Kronepsis]

Originally posted by Daikoku Ashikaga
This contridicts it self pretty hearsh

level 51 has a myriad of weapons, of even tradeskill weapons that blow the pale velium out of the water, there others that do the samething with a level 45 rec on them. then there is the Argent Protector, I should look it up, but last I checked it didn't ave a rec level, and the reaver 40/40, now magic, with no rec level.

for a wepon that cost about 600pp an atempt, if you don't need to payy an enchanter and farm the dropables yourself, I would say even without a rec level it is just marginal to sad.

Dai

Dai, if they're going to put recommended level on them, it shouldn't be at that high but much much lower. But just because there are better weapons doesn't mean that those weapons suck, so I fail to see how that's contradicting myself. It's just a different option.

[Daikoku Ashikaga]

Because the tevel of weapons we are seeing here, with the velium costs are too muuch to make, even if you farm-it-yourself to pull a profit.

Not done any of it my self, you seem to be at 600pp per attempt, which is what I would expect one of these to sell at, so these would be a loss item.

(Pale velum) anything that costs more to produce, or near the same price when you sell it, when you farm all you can = junk in my book.


Dai

[Rodrey]

As far as i know, the velium used in weapons is all made from "bars of velium " you cannot farm them, only buy them, just a correction

[Horanaf]

Dai, if they're going to put recommended level on them, it shouldn't be at that high but much much lower. But just because there are better weapons doesn't mean that those weapons suck, so I fail to see how that's contradicting myself. It's just a different option.

I'm fairly new at the whole Tradeskill thing, but I am a long time weapon connesuir. In almost 4 years as a paladin, I have owned my share of 2 handers. But to be honest, If there are better weapons available to me for a similar price to what it costs to make these, then yes these DO suck, and neither I nor anyone else who looks for a good weapon will pay for one. It's just that simple; either it's the best you can get for the price, or it's totally worthless.

Check your bazaar tomorrow for a Witness of Hate Greatstaff. I bet you find quite a few, and many at or near 1kpp. If the weapons can't match that, then they aren't going to be bought.

Of course, if SoE can ever get the rec. level working properly on weapons, this might change. But as long as you get the max damage on a weapon regardless of level (And yes, you do currently, has been that way for at least the last 6 months), don't expect to make your money back making these.

[Daikoku Ashikaga]

As far as i know, the velium used in weapons is all made from "bars of velium " you cannot farm them, only buy them, just a correction

530ish of the 600pp I quoted was the cost for the velium bars, I said farm all you can, not farm all of it.

[Kronepsis]

Originally posted by Horanaf
But as long as you get the max damage on a weapon regardless of level (And yes, you do currently, has been that way for at least the last 6 months), don't expect to make your money back making these.

Ouch.

Then yeah, these aren't that good then. :/

[wombat]

Havent the devs said these weapons will be recommended 50lvl?

"The GoD smithed weapons were intended to have a recommended level on them. After the next patch, they will be recommended (not required), level 50+.

Created By: Niami Denmother "

I havent seen anything that will make me buy GoD for the smithing yet

[Daikoku Ashikaga]

I forget which thread, either general or "GoD Info" here, but yes it was said.



Dai

[SilverfurMangycoat]

For those of you missing this on the first page, Maddoc said:

I suspect you'll be retracting that statment when you scratch more than just the surface of the Gates Smithing recipes (You did know there's roughly 700 new smithing recipes, right?).

I think some of you will be pleasantly surprised when you get to making the better weapons with the higher quality ore. Others won't be impressed at all, but overall, you should get a nice market for yourselves with these weapons.

-- Maddoc

He's saying the shimmering ore/shimmering nihilite weapons will be marketable, not the aligned ore/pale nihilite items you are seeing made now.

Silverfur Mangycoat
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[Eidolon Faer]

Well, given the flagging requirement, PLUS the fact that it requires both a grandmaster Jeweler and Grandmaster Smith to combine, either that ore'd better rain from the sky, with every MOB dropping 3-4 bars each (even the most pointless zonetrash) or the stats on the stuff had better be a step up from POP God drops. AND have Type 8 slots.

I'm not holding my breath.