Cestus Dmg/Dly : This will be Nerfed soon I Imagine

[Cantatus]

Come on guys, let's not turn this into a huge debate. Bottom line: Maddoc says they're going to be changed.

[Aandaie]

Ahhhh..

Evidently Maddoc must be the new tradeskill guy or something? I'm not up on things I guess. "Bob Smith says these will change!"

Never mind

[Daikoku Ashikaga]

I might see these used primary on SoL raid mobs, bt would not touch these on pop mobs. not like a level 51 is going to have the DB or be on the damage table to go overboard on these.

Dai

[Cantatus]

Yes, Maddoc is the EverQuest developer in charge of tradeskills. Anything he says here is golden.

[thrashette]

uh huh

Yay, the 'Please-don't-ever-allow-a-weapon-worth-making-into-the-game' squad wins again.

Aren't you guys tired of making 8/24 fine steel trinkets? Aren't you tired of EVERY monk wielding one of the eleven 19 to 20 damage 1HBs?

These weren't overpowered at level 60+, yet they were interesting for certain circumstances.

I hate boring itemization. There SHOULD be more 10 delay weapons, just like there SHOULD be more 80 delay ones.

[Maddoc-the-Wayfarer]

Yay, the 'Please-don't-ever-allow-a-weapon-worth-making-into-the-game' squad wins again.

I suspect you'll be retracting that statment when you scratch more than just the surface of the Gates Smithing recipes (You did know there's roughly 700 new smithing recipes, right?).

I think some of you will be pleasantly surprised when you get to making the better weapons with the higher quality ore. Others won't be impressed at all, but overall, you should get a nice market for yourselves with these weapons.

-- Maddoc

[Graal]

The 5/11 cestus is on par with the 16/22 Waning Light Katar as far as melee damage goes (level 60+). This makes them a very good weapon but not something so far out of bounds that they require a nerf.

The issue is that they are far superior to the other weapons made from similiar drops. Also there is very little room for improvement for the claws made from shimmering stuff. I imagine this is why they will get tweaked down a bit. Make them more inline with the other 12/20 1 handed weapons.

[oerin trubble]

They'll be changed to something a bit more appropriate in the next update.

I'm curious. How will this be handled? Will existing weapons be hit with the nerf bat? Or just future fabrications? Can't be many of these around yet. Most GoD materials are still pretty scarce.

[Aethn]

Yay, the 'Please-don't-ever-allow-a-weapon-worth-making-into-the-game' squad wins again

We all saw what the WindBlade did to teh weapons market overnight. No one can say that was good for us GM smiths at all.

It took me exactly 20 min to make those claws. Found the raw material on a vendor. So you are telling me a 5/11 Cestus, that takes me 20 min to make, is appropriate?

Also the Waning Light Katar takes money (alot on some servers) or a good group to get and lvl 55+ or flags. So you cant compare it to a smithed item that took me 20 min to get.

This was obviously not an appropriate weapon for hte risk vs reward. I am glad to see Maddoc putting it back into balanced.

When we find and use Shimmering steel, then you guys can start to talk about if a item has value or not. Pale Nihilite is the surface of smithing like Maddoc has stated.

[Lilosh]

Originally posted by Aethn
It took me exactly 20 min to make those claws. Found the raw material on a vendor. So you are telling me a 5/11 Cestus, that takes me 20 min to make, is appropriate?

Also the Waning Light Katar takes money (alot on some servers) or a good group to get and lvl 55+ or flags. So you cant compare it to a smithed item that took me 20 min to get.

It doesn't take 20 minutes to make.

It took YOU 20 minutes to make because you found the raw materials on a vendor.

If Joe Smith wanted to make it, It would take significantly longer to go out and gather the materials and make a weapon. It might take an hour or two to get the right drops, and then another 30 minutes to gate back and smith it. And that's assuming you bound on the QoT.


-Lilosh

[Daikoku Ashikaga]

What I am not seeing is something that I would concider useable, or with any real market. pardonthe sceptisim, but I am a 'show me the money' type guy. concidering the best player made 2hdr out there I have seen is not even 1/1 ratio wise, while a plethora of what is widely regaurded as junk is out there from what is becoming normal XP spots (Tactics) or junk drops from something that can be done by a small raid (ponb hedge event)

condider the difficult of a Livestone BP in comparision witna Vidi or
BPoE equivelent for knights, livestone is lessor for warriors, there is no real balence here in smithed quality and what 18 people can go twink farm.

So until I see a 36/29 10ac/100hp/mana/end 2hdr that does not take a time geared raid to get, I am finding the promises hollow.

3 people in the pit in tactics should not be able to get better weapons then what a raiding smith is easily able to 1 group components for.

Dai



Dai

Yay, the 'Please-don't-ever-allow-a-weapon-worth-making-into-the-game' squad wins again

Not Winblade, but WMBS, widebladed great sword, black bastard sword, heavy windriders lance, to name a few. if you are blaming anything on just the windblade you are not seeingthe whole picture.

[KletianTellah]

A few points

- When the twig was in game we didn't have super bonus on 2handers and 1:1 ratio weapons didn't exist
- Regardless of haste the min delay on a weapon is 10 (9 for monks)
- Because of the availibity of haste a 13/17 weapon will beat a 10/10 weapon
- This weapon isn't getting nerfed.

[Tingteng]

How can you say they are NOT getting nerfed?

The values aren't anything excessively awesome (by todays standards), however, they are incorrect. Those items are intended to be on par with their 1hs/1hb cousins.

That quote is from the tradeskill Dev from EQ

Have you even seen their 1hs/1hb cousins?

Pale Velium Short Sword
MAGIC ITEM
Slot: PRIMARY,SECONDARY
Skill: 1H Slashing Atk Delay: 22
DMG: 10
STR: +8 WIS: +8 INT: +8 AGI: +8
SV FIRE: +6 SV COLD: +6 SV MAGIC: +6
WT: 2.0 Size: MEDIUM
Class: WAR PAL RNG SHD BRD ROG
Race: ALL
Slot type 4:empty
Slot type 7:empty


Last time I checked 10/22 sucked

[Rodrey]

Wont combine

I am trying to combine the pale velium cestus, made all the components and it wont let me combine the 2 kits, mold and metal bar, tried with a smithing hammer and water too, any suggestions?

[Abazagaroth]

Regardless of haste the min delay on a weapon is 10 (9 for monks)

Again, more false information. Delay runs on 0.1 of a second clock, and if you had 2 delay weapon and 100% haste it would be a 1 delay weapon. People have claimed this many times and it has been disproven many times (often with that very twig).