Beyond angry

[Traska]

God I hate people. Not all of them, mind you.... just the ones between fetus and corpse.

So I'm getting together a group for LDoN. I'm a 47th level druid. Now, I know a druid doesn't heal as well as a cleric... but I've never had a groupmate die on me yet (despite the stupidity of some of them).

It starts off with the Shadowknight saying "If we don't get a cleric, I'm gone." What I SHOULD have said is "Don't let the disband button hit you on the way out." But did I? Of course not, or this would be a dull, dull post.

What I did say, of course, was about how in a full third of the groups I've done, I was main healer. And in one of those, I was ONLY healer.

He then goes on to say "Not to be a jerk, it's just that every time I go into one without a cleric I die." What I SHOULD have said is "If you knew how to manage your aggro and not steal it from the main tank, maybe you'd live longer." But did I? Of course not.

I decide the paladin, two levels higher than the SK, should be main tank. He says "If he can hold agro, fine". What I SHOULD have said is "He can hold aggro just fine, if you know how to play your class and not try to get as high up on the MOBs hate list as you possibly can like it's some kind of contest." But did I? If you don't know the answer to that already, start over.

So then the enchanter starts talking about the need for a cleric. Um, the group is full. She says "Then we'd better do an easy one." What I SHOULD have said is "You're an enchanter. Unless you've got Jif creamy style between your ears, this should be cake, between you and the necromancer, given that this is Mistmoore (land of the sheep), her crowd control is almost as good as yours. In fact, I KNOW what she can do, let's see your credentials." But did I? Pfft.

What I actually said was "You guys want a cleric? Go ahead and find one. I'm out." And I disbanded.

Now here's what gets me (okay, ALL of that does.... but still). A poorly played cleric is *not* better than a well-played druid, yet people seem to think that healer = cleric. Excuse me, but while I may not be able to heal as well as a cleric, I can in some cases heal *smarter* than a cleric. I'm 47. Give me the same credit I gave you when I gave you an invite. It wasn't until you opened your vomithole that I saw just how inept and moronic you really were.

[Noni DeeCups]

I am so sorry, I totally feel your pain. More then you will ever know. I am also laughing because I have been there, done that and lived to tell and so will you.

Next time, if it is your group, just say "Sorry you fell that way <insert sarcastic remark for your own amusement>" then remove them from group and move on. It's not like you will change their mind.




Magelo ~ Oryx

[Tudani]

Welcome to the idiots of higher levels. The KEI babies who can't play their characters, etc etc. Clerics are all fine and dandy if you can get one that knows how to play, but I very often see clerics overhealing, not being mana conservative etc and constanly running oom and making the group wait on them. My personal choice for group healing if you can't get a cleric you can trust is a druid shammy combo. With the druid main healing and the shammy slowing and there just in case stuff goes badly.

But as far as this particular group you were talking about goes...you had a pally, which should be plenty fine for backup heals for almost any group.

But sis...don't hesitate to yell in channel when you want quality group members, some of us have toons in your level range(s). <grins and hugs you>

[Tweedledea]

My tip: write down all the people who've let you down in groups, and write down what they did. Then refuse to group with them... if they were really bad.

My list includes:

-Cleric who let the group die when 2 or more were pulled. More than once. And we had CC.
-Tank who hits attack and goes afk.
-Ranger who repeatedly forgot to snare and was generally clueless.
-Wiz who didn't feel like nuking. Ever.
Even whiners make my list, if they're bad enough to annoy me.

Good on you for leaving the group. You know if you'd gone in there and anything had gone wrong (anything) it would have been 'your fault'. I hope the group fell apart ;-)

[Nhin Impious]

A poorly played cleric is *not* better than a well-played druid, yet people seem to think that healer = cleric. Excuse me, but while I may not be able to heal as well as a cleric, I can in some cases heal *smarter* than a cleric.

Cleric checking in.

Your tools for keeping your group alive and fighting may not be the same as mine. They may include more of "keep the mob off the casters" and less "heal the casters when the add runs amok." More "nuke/dot/smack around the mob" and less "heal the tank and let them hit it for me."

If you can manage your half of the communication that keeps the group humming and leaves the mobs dead and the group alive, then don't you EVER say you "don't heal as well as a cleric." EVER!

As for rezzing, well, we can talk about that.

Nhinx "Temperance for your level 2? Sorry, druid here" Aphsion
Cleric of the 54th season, Evocation specialist, and evil baker

[Ursawraith]

I have a dear place in my heart for the Druid Healer. They like the Beastlord have been the whipping kids of the EQ group experience. I try to go out of my way to get a druid for my LDoN groups.

[Lilosh]

Originally posted by Lord Grimrose
I have a dear place in my heart for the Druid Healer. They like the Beastlord have been the whipping kids of the EQ group experience. I try to go out of my way to get a druid for my LDoN groups.

I'm glad there are people like you. :-)

-Lilosh

[Greymist]

Agreeing to the nines

In the 40-something range I sometimes have been desperate enough to grit my teeth and hang on to these "clerics or else" idiots but when I'm on my 50s they get read the gospel and they shut up or leave.

Our guild is a small, family-oriented guild and we have zero clerics in the 50s range. Despite that we have done 100s of LDoN raids with a VERY high success rate. We have good shamans and good druids. Success is organizationation and knowing your class not needing the PERFECT group. I've won with some of the screwed up groups in creation that had no business winning but the people knew their class, knew how to play within the limitations of the group and we won with no problems.

I had a warrior go LD 2 min into one group of 30s somethings. We had warrior, beast, 2 clerics, 2 enchanters. We finished the adventure without him. Beastie tanked. One cleric and one chanter went into "battle mode" other 2 maintained normal group skills and we won with 15 min to spare with zero deaths.

But some folks just don't get it...

Which makes finding a group, particularly late night or early morning, a real drag.

Greymist

[Grimina]

Well I would never go into a group without a cleric...mostly cuz *I* am a cleric *giggle* That being said, I see my druid friends pulling main healer duties all the time, and since they aren't the ones begging me for rezzes all the time I must assume they are doing great at it.

I vote ya shoulda pitched the SK and THEN gotten a cleric...not because ya needed one..but so you could then do all the other fun things druids can do without saving mana for heals =) I'd trade a pissy SK for a fun cleric any day. That's why I often like to have a second cleric with me in groups (that and cuz the other cleric is my best friend hehe) as it leaves us both with extra time for all the other fun stuff clerics can do when we aren't healing

[Sanna]

Now someone just needs to go out of their way to get LDON for a druid.


heh.
/badjoke


-- Sanna

[Traska]

Beyond Happy: The Flipside

I didn't let the idiots get me down. I kept getting groups anyway =)

So today, the group is myself, mage (my SO, so I had at least one groupmate I could count on!), cleric (I won't turn one away, mind you...), enchanter... and a ranger and beastlord. No warrior or knight.

We got a collect mission in Miragul's Menagerie, walked in and proceeded to claim ownership to the place. Miragul and I have some rent to discuss. And he is so not getting his security deposit back.

After that mission, the cleric, myself, my SO, and a monk friend of our enchanter grouped with a warrior and an enchanter. The group was nice... already knew, of course, I could rely on the cleric. Well, the warrior and cleric die at one point, and I evac... stupid me, however evacs us to BBm. No worries... it's not far to the book, and pretty soon we're back in business...

....with five minutes to go, and one emblem left to find. Surely Miragul must be laughing at us.

But he didn't laugh long. TWO MINUTES 'till fail, we get the last emblem.

And somewhere in the middle of all that, I dinged 49. =) And my SO dinged 48. =D

And a chorus of angels sung the praises of the group.

The chorus sounded oddly like a DING.

=D

[Itek]

The other night we tried a MMC adventure.

65 Enchanter (not charming or DC'ing)
65 Paladin
62 Druid (two boxed with the Paladin)

...

...

We took a collection of 30.

We were at 17 with 40 minutes to go. And we had killed an named mob also.

We were at 21 with 20 minutes to go.

Then we got a triple pull and the paladin bit it before I could mezz the two adds.

Then in overtime we hit a trap and the druid ran OOM curing poison every few minutes and healing herself ...

Druids ROCK ...

And I need Animation Empathy 2 (/pet attack) soooo bad...

[Balkin]

I've had druid and shammy healers several times. As long as they know how to play their class, ya sure don't need a cleric. *shrug*

Of course, one of the main LDoN characters I use is a cleric... hehehe

[Idara]

Some people just don't understand the fact that it doesn't take the perfect group to win. It takes people knowing how to play their characters. Then you can have a group of just about anything and still win. Best LDoN group I had was a 58-63 level group consisting of 3 beastlords, a mage, a wiz, and me (druid). We went through that dungeon like it was nothing and finished with 35 minutes to spare.

[Moraganth]

People get too hung up on the rez factor.. they want a cleric so they can get their rez the second they die. In LDoN, you're 2 hours (tops) in a cave. You shouldn't be rezzing in anyone until the missions completed anyway; they should be bound right outside, or as close as possible (non-mana users excluded, of course). Without a cleric, you just wait till the zone collapses.