On the rarity of Clockwork Gnome Bolts...

[Kahmon]

It was already stated in the beginning of the thread that the bolts drop rate is way out of proportion in relation to the other parts from the same camp. They are not any "harder", so not sure what your point is. Items with a different drop rate would best come from a different camp, as the shadowmane pelts and the steel and the stones do.

My point was that there is no basis for thinking that all drops for the same recipe need to drop in the same proporions.

[Brodder FoamyMugs]

You guys just need to invent the "Clockwork Bolt Extractor" just be sure that you aim it at the proper target and that you remember to put in an "OFF" button (you can't believe how many entries in the "Great Big Book of Oops" are due to that simple mistake."

[Mystic Lioness]

Hahahahahahaha, oh I can see it now. Sort of like a big magnet... the clockwork bolt extractor.

[Tellis Stormchaser]

The Bolts are not rarer than we want them to be.

I don't think their rarity is a real problem. The real problem is that there is only one camp. As in, there's no other place to get these items and a single person can hold the camp easily. At least no one's told me of another.

Is there an instanced zone to kill Reapers? I don't recal one.

If an instanced zone existed, then it would be possible to have more then 1 person per day per server hold the area where only 10 to 15 mobs in the game drop the items you need. As it is, it's a bit poorly designed.

[Turrosh Mak]

I don't think their rarity is a real problem. The real problem is that there is only one camp. As in, there's no other place to get these items and a single person can hold the camp easily.

You are partially correct. There are only 10 spawns in the game you can get clockwork bolts from without hurting your faction with the "good" mission givers in Corathus Creep. If you don't care about your faction then you have access to about 20 more spawns.

[duzter]

I have seen bolts drop in Bellfast #5. The only problem is if some of those trash mobs that can death touch spawn.

[Baxter]

bellfast 5 mobs respawn in like 5 to 7 minutes. Due to this, you can camp the first 2 clockworks with little problem. Main problem with this though is you wont find anybody solo'ing even just those 2 mobs unless they box a near full group, as bellfast 5 is very rough.

[Wyvernwill]

I know I have seen various clockwork things drop in Bellfast 1 also. I don't remember seeing bolts, but I did see other clockwork parts, so I am pretty sure Bolts could drop in that one also.

[Qualan]

I won't revisit the previous posts, cause then the board basher will bash me

However, commenting on data and availability of components:

Bazaar bough clockwork gnome bolts: 34, average price 2,5k
Bazaar bought shadowmane pelts : 6 average price 9,5k

Seems to me that at least in the bazaar there is a reasonable balance of components.

Bazaarbought components and vendor bought components mount up on average to around 40k in cost

My stock of aaaa's can grow faster than the bazaar absorbs them (selling at low end of market too)

Conclusion: Most AAAA are slightly overpriced but probably either the market will drop out due to overstocking at the tinkers (which is not uncommon anyway) or market will pick up as more guilds reach this content and starts farming it (although usually the other guilds move out by then)

In total it seems fairly balanced droprate wise. Also the other components like gargoyle dust seem to be dropping at good enough rates. I have never run out of these and lately they seem to be going down in price quite fast- suggesting first level of saturation of market and people stopping to stockpile em for their own and/or guild use

[Bobaten]

Cheapest bolt I have seen in the last month on Prexus was 8k. Most are 10-15k, and I have never seen 34 bolts at one time, heck I don't think I have ever seen more than 6 in the bazaar at once. Shadowmane pelts on the other hand tend to run 15-20k here. There are usually 1 to 3 for sale.
The median price for Prexus over the last 30 days according to GearEQ (a bazaar tracking bot for Prexus) is 12k for the bolts, and 20k for the pelts. Not that I am complaining, AAAA's still sell for 270k here, and I have made a mint between amalgamators and mechanoinstructions.

[Wymp]

Sadists.

lol .. Tuis is my hero.

[tuis]

I never ever see Shadowmane Pelts for sale. My buyer has been set to buy them from 20-30k (depending on the other buyers online atm). I refuse to pay more than 500pp per clockwork part, though I see people trying to sell the stuff for 800-2500 (whether its a bolt or not). At one point I almost went broke buying everything off some guy that was only there to farm some drop from a named - must've cost me 80k at the time at 500pp apiece (and then the rollback ate it all omg must not rant...) Right now I just ask my guildmates to farm "critical" parts for their own AAAA and any extra I just hold in case to make up for minor shortages. Shadowmane Pelts are still the biggest PITA though.

[filobeto]

It is 10x easier to farm pelts than bolts. Sure, the bolts come from much easier mobs, and I can mass kill these solo....but I still need 5 of them. Plus I really do not enjoy farming lt. blues or greens for items anymore.

I can also solo the pelts, it may take longer to kill the Shadowmanes and I can't kill anywhere close to as many in the same amount of time. But I promise you, the drop rate is far better. Plus, the mobs are close to 10% aa per @ 70.

If you have a way to split pull, snare and root, you can farm pelts. It may take some exploration to find the safe camp, but once you do you'll see the bolts are the biggest bottleneck of mass AAAA production.

On D-ro the pelts typically run 10k and up, bolts 1k to 5k. AAAAs sell for 100k - 150k normally.

I'll buy the bolts if I can get them on the lower end of the range, and I will only buy the pelts if I can get them for 5k or under.

[tuis]

I have a decently geared 70 mage and a well-geared 70 monk. I have no doubt I could duo these easy, but would prefer to only have to worry about one char at a time in a PvP zone. Think I'll have to take a test run with the monk and see how he handles them.

[Ladwenae_AB]

If you dont care about faction hits bolts are pretty easy to get in the area around slipgear. Its just so annoying that the bankers agro as well since I more or less block all from banking in CC when I farm bolts.

Was there 2 days ago, 3h to get 8 bolts and the first hour didnt yield any.