Erudite Tailoring

[drtyaty]

Alright I am a Erudite Pally on D.R. (yes, I know a rare and strange breed). But because I am such a rare breed I have tons of cultural options available to me.

I have read quite a few posts here, and it appears I will be making platinum ribbons to 187. (of course not the ribbons which are usable by my own race, as the bamboo is so incredibly rare and is also used to make the frozen skies weapon).

The question I have is this:

Is erudite cultural, something that I should consider to skill up on?

If I understand correctly, the major components are terrorantula silks (which are not that hard to come by) and large bricks of hq ore.

Are there any erudite tailors out there that skilled up using this route, or is this not a viable option for reasons I am not contemplating?

[Eumerin]

Re: Erudite Tailoring

The question I have is this:

Is erudite cultural, something that I should consider to skill up on?

If I understand correctly, the major components are terrorantula silks (which are not that hard to come by) and large bricks of hq ore.

Er...

What on earth gave you the idea you'd need HQ ore for Erudite cultural?

Since you're asking about skill-up possibilities, I assume you're talking about Steelsilk, in which case the answer is a resounding NO!!!!, you do not want to use it to skill up on.

Go look at that list of components again.

Note the mana vial listed in the required components.

Follow the link for the mana vial to learn what is required for the mana vial.

Realize that four rubies is an awful lot of cash to blow out for an item you're only using to skill up on.

Wisely decide to go do something less expensive instead, such as paying triple the going rate in the Bazaar for superb rockhopper pelts.

[drtyaty]

Re: Erudite Tailoring

Er...

What on earth gave you the idea you'd need HQ ore for Erudite cultural?

Since you're asking about skill-up possibilities, I assume you're talking about Steelsilk, in which case the answer is a resounding NO!!!!, you do not want to use it to skill up on.

Go look at that list of components again.

Note the mana vial listed in the required components.

Follow the link for the mana vial to learn what is required for the mana vial.

Realize that four rubies is an awful lot of cash to blow out for an item you're only using to skill up on.

Wisely decide to go do something less expensive instead, such as paying triple the going rate in the Bazaar for superb rockhopper pelts.

Actually, I was referring to the woven platinum, which if you will explore requires high quality ore:

Woven Platinum Veil
MAGIC ITEM
Slot: FACE
AC: 5
AGI: +5 HP: +30 MANA: +30
Recommended level of 45
WT: 3.0 Size: LARGE
Class: NEC WIZ MAG ENC
Race: HUM ERU

Components: embroidering needle, enchanted platinum thread, infused terrorantula silk, mask pattern, silver thread
In: erudite sewing kit
Yield: 1
Also Returns: embroidering needle
On Failure Returns: embroidering needle
This combine may only be made by Erudites
Notes: Expected Trival > 250 unknown

Woven Platinum Wristband

MAGIC ITEM
Slot: WRIST
AC: 6
HP: +30 MANA: +30
SV FIRE: +5 SV DISEASE: +5 SV COLD: +5 SV MAGIC: +5
SV POISON: +5
Recommended level of 45
WT: 3.0 Size: LARGE
Class: NEC WIZ MAG ENC
Race: HUM ERU
Components: embroidering needle, enchanted platinum thread, infused terrorantula silk, silver thread, wristband pattern
In: erudite sewing kit
Yield: 1
Also Returns: embroidering needle
On Failure Returns: embroidering needle
This combine may only be made by Erudites
Notes: Expected > 250 unknown [/quote]

[Niellya]

Except that you need a blue diamond for the Infused Terrorantula Silk.

So unless you have stacks of blue diamonds laying around this isn't a good skillup option.

Acrylia Studded, Arctic Wyvern or Drake Hide are probably your best bets. I am currently at 192 and would have loved to have had the option of ribbons to get to 187 (188?).

[drtyaty]

Thanks

Except that you need a blue diamond for the Infused Terrorantula Silk.

So unless you have stacks of blue diamonds laying around this isn't a good skillup option.

Acrylia Studded, Arctic Wyvern or Drake Hide are probably your best bets. I am currently at 192 and would have loved to have had the option of ribbons to get to 187 (188?).

Thanks,

I missed the blue diamond requirement!!!!!!!! Greatly appreciate the response.

[Itzena]

Is it time for my rant about 'old erudite cultural. it being a total waste of time and that SOE should change the mana vial needed' yet?

[Mahlig]

The original Erudite cultural does not require a blue diamond. Based on 4 rubies per mana vial, it is not very economically feasible as a viable skillup path.

[Heartsong_Steelsoul]

Itzena, just don't rant in this thread.

Anyway, I had mentioned on the other board, that you may want to look at using the robes made with ribbons from the Seahorse Roe as a skillup path.

[adetia]

Also using an Erudite tailor, we found rigid steelweave and serene steelweave to provide skillup opportunities with minimal farming when other components weren't available to us/for variety. On Stormhammer, prices for tradeskill items can get absolutely outrageous and are not readily available as they may be on other servers due to the notable lack of folks willing to farm some of the items needed for tailoring.

Being a person that wanted to maximize skill ups while minimizing time taken to get there (though it still took a couple months), and minimizing farming, steelweave was attractive to me.

The vast majority of our skillups came from a variety of velious tailoring, combining whatever I could piece together from 190 to 250. Lots of arctic wyvern hide masks, and the like. We also were doing tailoring before many were making ribbons, so when I had time to forage, that was a good option also, the cost is fairly low on those combines. For us at least, the skill up rate was not quite as lucky on those as it was on some other items. Once we got to around 205, we mixed solstice robes into the blend, and got very good skillups off of those.

When I couldn't find anything else, and didn't feel like farming, I did steelweave combines. It was a nice change of pace, and the results actually sell very well in our bazaar, and still do. To this day, we still get erudite tailoring requests and have a few loyal customers that we've created full suits for.

In total, we did 97 steelweave combines in our quest to get 250, a mixture of collars, masks, bracers, boots, (and other items by order, such as pants and breastplates). The collars, masks and bracers sell well even still to this day, while boots move a bit slower - I no longer make those except by order. We seemed to be, at least early on, the only person making these items, and there was at least a moderate market for them, so perhaps it was just luck for us.

So yes, its a viable skill up option, it just depends if you have the cash to outlay up front, if you want to farm, and what else you have available to you. If you have a plethora of velium like I know some servers do, you may want to consider arctic wyvern masks first -- they had better skill up rates for us than anything else. Additionally, my success rate at approximately 215 shot up through the roof on steelweave, so you may wish to wait a little bit to do the steelweave because while yes its an investment early on, if you can sell your results, it doesn't take long to make back your investments + extra. We sell rigid bracers for ~5k, serene bracers for ~6k, boots ~3k, masks ~1k, collars ~1k.

Oh, also - I say us because my game hubby and I share a tradeskiller, I'm not delusional~. Hope this helps a bit!

[drtyaty]

Adetia

GREAT POST!!!!!!!! Thank you.

I have decided this much:

Ribbons = total waste of time. Why? Too much farming involved and at least on D.R. unavailable.

Arctic Wyvern Hides = too much farming, but clearest path to 250 after 212. I have been fishing for cod for about a month now. Ordinarily I ask for my hides in /ooc and a lot of people will just give them to me; I had far more hides than I did cod oil before I did my first 3-4 stacks of combines (which, of course I know now I wasted). If noone is willing to give them up, for whatever reason, I watch for them in the bazaar, paying 15-25pp/hide; I refuse to pay more than 30pp.

The reason I say too much farming until about a skill lvl of 212 is because I figured up you need at least 6000 pieces of velium; 2000 wyvern hides; 2000 cod oils; and, 4000 velium tempers (which I have determined are far less painful to buy, than to do all those combines and pay the going rate of 4pp/celestial essence) for 100 stacks of combines, which will equate to about 1 skill point/stack. I did do some farming for the velium, but in the amount of time I can farm velium, I can easily camp a rare, or get exp and loot enough to buy the velium at 15-25pp/piece. Pieces of velium are limited, with some paying up to 40pp/piece (which I refuse to do).

I had also been selling my bricks to pc's or npc's, because I didn't figure out until this morning that 1 small brick = 2 pieces; that cost me 40+ pieces right there.

Acrylia reinforced armor = too time consuming and too much pp. Superb or flawless rockhopper hides seem very rare and very expensive in the bazaar. They are also apparently a very rare drop, thus justifying their very high prices; no acrylia for me thanks.

Solution? Robes. Robes seem to be the best bang for the buck imo until 210, when the success rate apparently picks up (which of course I haven't made yet). Then take the 2 free points to 212. From there, use the wyvern armor to get the 38 points I am going to need to get to 250; alternatively, I am going to use Adetia's suggestion and make steelweave armor in the alternative, while looking for cheap bd's during my down time making the wyvern hides.

In other words, this other stuff appears to be far too time consuming for me. Yeah, it may cost less, but I have fortunately made some money on my trader in the last few months, and imo, the time you waste farming all the hides/cod/flawless-superb pelts/velium/acrylia/etc., you could lvl your char to a higher lvl and/or get some decent rare drops to more than make up for the time you spend farming all the other items.

So, anyone care to comment on this path I have chosen and the assertions I have made herein?

Thanks,

Zandal
Who, after having read many of your wonderful posts is now on the quick path to 250 tailoring.

[Kytelae]

It really is a ton of farming, but if you have any plat from other sources, buying some or all of the items for your subcombines works pretty well. I'm doing a mix of acrylia reinforced and arctic wyvern, and having good skillups rates (just hit 202 yesterday). I think whatever comes to hand is the best thing to try

[jack96jill]

i like the loy robes,

1-salils 64 right is pretty common especially if you vender dive several zones

2- if you hate farming, pay someone else to do it, i just did a who all ranger 45-50 or so and started sending tells and offering 600pp/stack of seahorse roe and explained what was involved. That may seem high to you but it can take a bit to farm a stack of seahorse roe, and i say ranger because they can meele well and forage.

3- i did a stack and half of robe combos the other night and went from 203 to 207, i then proceded to blow 45k of solstice robe junk to get to 214 (naturally i stoped at 210 and used ethereal to 212.) and have come to the conclusion that failures suck for skill ups. Since i use inverse runes for something else, i also nabbed ethereal pages when i had the chance, and have about 4 stacks, which may be a bit more xpensive due to it using a platinum ribbon, but at least i should get some skill ups on it and maybe sell a few to recoup some of the loss.

Due to the extreme cost of solstice robes i no longer consider them much of an option and will be farming flawless hides i suppose. Also, ethereal robes are triv at 232 i believe, so are a good option if you keep up with the vender farming.

[Niellya]

Is it time for my rant about 'old erudite cultural. it being a total waste of time and that SOE should change the mana vial needed' yet?

You could, except that when I brought up the subject once before (just brought it up, mind you) it was deemed a rant and the thread got locked.

[Heartsong_Steelsoul]

Niellya, _we_ can't do anything. Everyone here knows that the non-blue diamond erudite cultural is substandard. We're the choir. Yes, occasionally Verant people have been known to read posts here, but much of the time it's when things have gone horribly wrong.

/feedback about the cultural, write emails to Verant. But Denmom and House Ogre do not spend money (theirs and what people donate) to be a public soapbox.

I really hope you don't take this the wrong way, it's merely my attempt to explain why these forums and this forum specifically are not for complaining about the inequalities in items.

Heartsong Steelsoul

[Eumerin]

Ribbons are too much farming?

*snort*

Seriously, ribbons are about the easiest thing to farm from here on out. In an evening, you should easily be able to collect a full stack of dye drops from the drolvargs in Firiona Vie, and my experience with that was 3 skill ups per stack. Yes, its time consuming, but its something that you're going to probably need to deal with from here on out.