Wyvern Tailoring...

[Nairn Niteraven]

I often hear that Tailoring is difficult; I agree, hands down. But I also hear that it's gonna cost several arms and at least 3 legs.

My question is concerning Wyvern Armor. Let's forget time, I'm willing to do the time; that aside, I can farm the Hides, I can fish the Cod, I can farm the Velium and I can do the Temper. This sounds to me that I can GM Tailoring with a minimum of cost and maybe a net gain if I can sell some of the Armor (I believe the trivial on the Gorget is 335). Under those circumstances, why is Tailoring expensive?

I started playing at release in 1999 and my highest toon is 60, so time isn't an issue for me, I play at my speed and I'm happy with that. Is it the "in a hurry" crowd that says that Tailoring is expensive?

(edit) I'm sleepy, forgive me if I've overlooked something obvious.

[Renjah]

Tailoring is expensive because
1. It costs MUCHO TIME to farm everything
OR
2. It costs MUCHO money to buy everything
OR
3. It costs MUCHO time and money to farm/buy components.
OR
4. It costs MUCHO sanity to do any of the above 3.

[Nairn Niteraven]

That's my planned route, but I'll take note of your comment. I'll watch my sanity closely

[Healblade]

Wyvern/Othmir Tailoring <<<<<<<<<< Acrylia Fletching.

(and by <<<<<<<<<< I mean is easier than)

Othmir Fur Caps from 220-250... with only a few arctic wyvern masks spinkled in from finding really cheap deals in the bazaar (15pp per wyvern hide and 20pp per cod oil, anyone?)

It really isn't that bad if you're used to doing some farming... but I've got a 1750, and I made a gnome necro (research and tinkering and a character I actually enjoy playing)... I'll probably do 8th shawl on this character too.

"Excuse me, House Ogre, but my strait-jacket is a bit loose!" /joking off

[Tweedledea]

Unless you go in for hard-core farming in a major way, the skill-ups you get from the items you farm alone would be pretty uninspiring. (Assuming you do spend some time in-game doing something other than farming.)

There comes a time for many of us when the monotony of farming and the 2 skillups a fortnight gained with our meagre self-hunted resources drives us to the evil bazaar

[Taushar]

You can do the farming and save some money but it's not as easy as it sounds. First of all, the drop rate will drive you insane. You can spend about 2-3 hours farming Wyverns and get may be a stack of hides if you are lucky. The typical drop rate is like 1 every 6-9 kills. So let's say you get a stack. Next is fishing for Cobalt Cods. Typically I can fish for about 1-2 hours and get about a stack of these. Velium is a bit easier, specially if you break down all veliums to pieces. Still, it will take you about few hours to get 3 stacks of small pieces of velium you need for one stack of combine. So, now you spent a good 8 hours to farm enough stuff for one stack of combine. If your wisdom is high, like 355, then you can expect about 1 skill up per stack, usually between 18-21 combines per skill up. So, that means if you spent 8 hours per day playing, you can spend 50 days on the average to get up from 200 to 250.

As for making money on the wyvern hide armors, forget about it. The only 1 stud combine is the mask and at least on Xev, there are at least 50 masks on sale from everyone doing the tailoring skill up. I have not sold one in last couple of months. I usually give them to tribute master for points. If you make something other than mask, you have to farm even more velium, which takes more time.

That's the reason why I just buy things from the bazaar. This does get expensive, I spent over 150kpp to go from 200 to 250 but I did it in 2 weeks, not 50 days or more. While it is possible to farm your way up the tailoring skill level, it will take you a LOT of time farming and that takes you away from leveling. It's your choice though.

Taushar

[Chenier]

If you farm everything for wyvern tailoring, then yes, it will be cheap. Do remember about the coldain velium tmper; with it's new price, there is no point in making it yourself since it costs about the same and hey, no clicking!

However, (/old skiller mode on) it doesn't used to be so. CVT's used to cost 26pp each and there was no recipe to make them, so even Velious tailoring was very expensive.

And just to break you now before you get depressed later; don't even try to sell the made armor unless it's to an NPC vendor or a tribute dude. You won't get much of anything for it (or at least check whether tribute > rock bottom bazaar value).

[Nairn Niteraven]

I appreciate the input, and the time involved in farming, I well understand; at least in my limited experience. I've gotten about 10 stacks of Hides so far and 120 bait will usually net me a stack of Cod. I don't begrudge that time spent at all; I enjoyed it.

Leveling for me is an indirect benefit of trying to get tradeskill items, I positively *hate* trying to get to the next level so I can do it again unless it will benefit me in something I'm trying to do (typically, tradeskills or a quest).

Anyway, thanks for the ideas, might be interesting to see how many combines it takes me to get from 188 to 250 by this route. I'll let you know if there's any interest

[Tingteng]

Too bad you're a half elf. I found the skill ups in cultural Ikkie MUCH better than the wyvern hides.

[Taushar]

Leveling for me is an indirect benefit of trying to get tradeskill items, I positively *hate* trying to get to the next level so I can do it again unless it will benefit me in something I'm trying to do (typically, tradeskills or a quest).

Well, you can always get to 65 then you won't have to level anymore. Hehe.

Taushar

[Koru]

I'd love to hear how it goes. I've been thinking of doing something similar with the acrylia myself - but only do the 3+ stud/boning items since so far I've always ended up with more ore than hides. Tunare knows, I'm not touching solstice robes for love nor money. I've made too many subcombines to sell of those to want to do more of them.

Ok, so the money part was a lie, obviously I would touch them for money since I have. Um, you know what I mean! But seriously, I'd enjoy hearing how cheapie skilling up goes since I'm doing something similar myself. I'm not in any real rush to skillup tailoring myself, at least not at a high cost. I suspect for the *ahem* 'alternate reality perception' people such as us (insane is such an inaccurate term, I'm perfectly sane in my little world!) it may not be a bad way to go. I rather like the farming, it's very relaxing in a way. See, kill, loot, repeat.

[Akishka]

We may be past this here but for the very laid back, relaxed route, I found some of the tailored bags to be the best option. Primarily, I did the folded bearskin potion bag - everything is easily farmed but the ribbon so your cost is about 20 pp and it sells for around 70 pp on my server. Mix that in with some lemming fur bags when you get the chance and that takes you to the 160s. Really not a fast route since the potion bags are lore but it helps you make your pp back as you go, plus a little profit.

[Vivamort-Rodcet Nife]

I would do Rockhopper hides over wyvern hides for skillup/cost purposes. You can always sell the LQ/MQ ones for people looking for hides for padding purposes. After you master HQ, they sell for quite well, and after finishing mastering supurb, you can actually start making money again by selling them. In addition, farming acrylia in either TM or AC can earn extra cash while farming by selling all the runes etc. (especially windstones). Wyverns are nice for the extra cash from their gems, but I have found hoppers to be more profitable and easier for skillup purposes in the longrun

just my 2 bonechips,
Vivamort

[Nairn Niteraven]

Minor update, I won't bore you with detailed stats (I'll do that at 250 )

I did 12 stacks of Hides and went from 188 to 198. Frankly, I think I was lucky as hell to get that many skillups off that relatively few number of hides. I'm still getting some Light Blue experience at 60, but since that's not my purpose, it's just gravy.

Anyway, I'll check in every now and then for those of you that are interested, and I'll give a comprehensive break down at 250. It's become a Holy Graille (Grail?), I'm commited to this path just to see what it took

[Bouba Lourson]

my skill up

I m at 242 tailoring atm.
I have found more benefit doing tigeraptor armor (most of the time cloak).
If you re not KOS to CoV go in WW and hunt hound, mammouth and burrower while you forage drake egg.
I just found tigeraptor much more easy to farm (i have track) and mostly uncamped. Drop rate is just good (1 hide on 5 kill) and they are weaker (1 shot of lvl 64 nuke druid on tigeraptor, 2 for tigesaurus).
On Karana server, i able to sell cloak for 1k to 2kpp each and get a ton of pp selling velium hound fur.
Keep mamouth and iceburrower silk for skill up after 240, cause they are more expensive to do and result (ice silk cap and mamouth cloak) can be sell for some nice cash.
And while you hunt tigeraptor, you can forage yew leaf. So, once you get 1 stack of yew leaf, star hunting panther to burn them in skill up