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**Grimthor** · 12-21-2003, 06:19 AM

If you are doing tailoring to make yourself a set of armour, I would suggest you are better off saving your HG money and buying the armour. It will be cheaper and you will end up with the armour sooner. And indeed, as you say, there is better stuff out there from mobs/LDoN.

However, if you are doing tailoring as a challenge, and because you enjoy it, then stick at it! I started tradeskilling seriously to get the Aid Grimmel earring, and found that I really enjoy it. So much so that I am considering going for 250 in all of them.

Hope this helps.

**Chenier** · 12-22-2003, 01:36 AM

Obsolete? No, I don't think. Tunarean Soldier provides a steady income for me...

Will I make back what I put into it? No. Has it enabled me to have money to put back into it and the other tradeskills? Yup.

And I'm still wearing Tunarean Soldier sleeves...

But only do it if you're having fun. =)

**Oatman** · 12-22-2003, 10:01 AM

Well, thanks to both for your answers, and to Chenier for the portrait. The patch events of the past week have depressed me no end, contributing to my demoralization on the Tailoring. Perhaps, after the New Year, I shall regain my ardor. In the meantime it's a comfort to receive your encouragement. Happy Holidays!

**filobeto** · 12-22-2003, 10:11 AM

Continue only if you find it enjoyable. Take breaks as necessary or you may burn yourself out before you reach your goal. Just remember, it's *fun* that should matter the most.

Spend some time farming the Acrylia, at your level you should be able to farm Acrylia pretty safely (I know I did) if you take your time in the caves. You'll not only get the acrylia (not a ton mind you), you'll get some various other vendor stuff which you can sell, and then buy the Hides you want. Not only that, but you'll get some decent xp, before you know it, you'll be of level enough to kill the hoppers on your own.

Safe journeys.
Filo

**drtyaty** · 12-22-2003, 02:21 PM

I would Suggest

I would suggest leveling, then tailoring.

But, they are right. Do what you have fun doing.

As a druid you may want to look into other options to advance your skill instead of the studded acrylia.

It is very unfortunate, but I see no real way to make money tailoring. JC on the other hand, those guys have made a fortune off of PoP jewelcrafting content.

Hopefully the new release will allow tailors to make a larger profit margin; particularly since it is the most time consuming, most difficult, and probably most expensive.

**Tudamorf** · 12-22-2003, 04:22 PM

Re: I would Suggest

Originally posted by drtyaty
It is very unfortunate, but I see no real way to make money tailoring.

Elemental combines. Of course the real value in those combines is having elemental access, not having the tailoring skill, so I have to agree that tailoring gives you the fewest rewards for the most effort.

**Renjah** · 12-22-2003, 04:31 PM

Re: Re: I would Suggest

Originally posted by Tudamorf
so I have to agree that tailoring gives you the fewest rewards for the most effort.

Unless your a hobbit

Haversacks funded almost all my trade skilling (cept Fletching which in turn funded tailoring)

I started with 30k in my pocket and because of trade skills I have the 30k plus some cool gear and the enjoyment of making my own stuff.

Renjah takes a swig of a Root Beer Float... AHH that was refreshing!

**Razj** · 12-22-2003, 04:44 PM

Re: I would Suggest

Originally posted by drtyaty
IIt is very unfortunate, but I see no real way to make money tailoring. JC on the other hand, those guys have made a fortune off of PoP jewelcrafting content.

Hopefully the new release will allow tailors to make a larger profit margin; particularly since it is the most time consuming, most difficult, and probably most expensive.

I disagree...I'm a Erudite Shadowknight (no cheap shots, now

) and I've made quite a nice living off my tailoring. I don't expect I'd ever be able to buy full sets of ornate plate thanks to the tradeskills, but prior to the recent bazaar inflation I had done very well. The secret? Farm your own goods. The better part of the secret - do it with level appropriate alts when you can so that you get both exp and useful drops.

Particularly these days with insano-pricing in the bazaar on almost every tradeskill ingredient (come on...150pp for a brick of velium? Not a chance!) it's important to do a lot of your own work.

I would *conservatively* estimate my total tailoring profits at 250,000pp. My only real expenses are things like the tempers and tanins, and I subcontract lower-level guildmates to make those for me.

Anyway, I'm in it for the tradeskill fun, not the profit...but the money has helped me reach nice levels in everything except baking and has bought some nice goodies for my Exp Main and primary alternate (is that an oxymoron or what?).

- Razj

**Kalysto** · 12-23-2003, 03:14 AM

Your druid being level 48 is plenty high enough to hunt Rockhoppers for their pelts imo. I would say Dawnshroud would be safest spot to try ( due to lack of adds in area apart from other people's trains etc ), but you will also find quality pelts in Mons Letalis ( Need Lev and just lookout for Stonegrabbers, but root, DoT and hide worked ok for me here ) or Scarlet Desert ( I don't like this zone so much, but if you find a spot on the wall to pull to, it's not so bad. Soooo many adds here I found ). I bet would be good exp for you also !

**Slippyblade** · 12-23-2003, 04:05 AM

Just be glad that you are a casting class. You have a hope of soloing the hoppers. I'm a lvl 63 rogue and yeah, I can kill a hopper. *Maybe* even two before I have to sit down and bind wound for 10 minutes. So that is just not even feasible for me...

**Tudamorf** · 12-23-2003, 05:25 AM

Re: Re: I would Suggest

Originally posted by Razj
Particularly these days with insano-pricing in the bazaar on almost every tradeskill ingredient (come on...150pp for a brick of velium? Not a chance!) it's important to do a lot of your own work.

But how much of your profit is based on your farming effort (non-tailoring income), and how much is based on just hitting the combine key (tailoring income)? If you can sell the ingredients for anywhere near the price of the combine, tailoring is netting you a loss, when you consider the time and money involved in raising the skill.

**Razj** · 12-23-2003, 06:43 PM

Re: Re: Re: I would Suggest

Originally posted by Tudamorf
But how much of your profit is based on your farming effort (non-tailoring income), and how much is based on just hitting the combine key (tailoring income)? If you can sell the ingredients for anywhere near the price of the combine, tailoring is netting you a loss, when you consider the time and money involved in raising the skill.

I see your point, but I stand by my comments. A couple of easy for-instances:

Acrylia Studded Cloaks: 12 sm pieces of acrylia (call it 40pp per), 1 superb rockhopper hide (easily purchased at 85pp) and 2pp for tanin/pattern. Gross ingredient cost: ~570pp. Fly off the shelves at 750pp. Net profit per cloak = 180pp. Allows for a 1 in 4 fail rate with profitability.

Due to the current OMG inflation, you could make 60pp per small piece and perhaps 100pp for the hide. That would be 820pp in ingredients, but only because of the recent inflation...which may well return to normal.

Hand Made Backpacks: 1 HQ Rockhopper/Bear skin (30-45pp) and 1pp for pattern. Gross ingredient cost: 31-46pp. With the advent of the tokens, I'm selling 20 a day at 65pp. Net profit per pack = ~30pp. Not going to grow fantastically rich, but really helps keep cash flow positive. Same story with Lemming Fur backpacks (though they sell much slower) - ingredients cost under 300pp, backpacks sell at 500pp.

The velious stuff is difficult to assess given the flux in bazaar pricing and the huge hit-or-miss fail rates. Still, an example: Arctic Wyvern Wristbands. 12 sm pieces of velium (pre-inflation call it no more than 15pp each), 7 coldain velium tempers (if purchased at 20pp each), a hide (100pp) and a pattern. Ingredients come out to about 420pp. I sell the wristbands at 500pp fairly regularly. Clearly a very modest profit buying everything at bazaar pricing.

Finally, Velium Mastodon Fur Cloaks. 4 hides at 500pp, some mana at 525pp, a thread at 210pp. 2750pp in ingredients. 8-10k on sale end. Fail 3 in 4 and still be near profitability.

Obviously these take a great deal of skill. But with an eye towards sell-as-you-go (as opposed to making hundreds of worthless masks) and a decent amount of self-farming, it is profitable. And at the top end, you don't even need to leave the bazaar to make money.

- Razj

**Tudamorf** · 12-23-2003, 08:33 PM

Re: Re: Re: Re: I would Suggest

Originally posted by Razj
12 sm pieces of acrylia (call it 40pp per), 1 superb rockhopper hide (easily purchased at 85pp)
12 sm pieces of velium (pre-inflation call it no more than 15pp each), 7 coldain velium tempers (if purchased at 20pp each), a hide (100pp) and a pattern.

LOL, hook me up with those suppliers! I regularly see acrylia at 50+, small pieces of velium at 75-100, CVT at 40+ (if you can find it at all), superb rockhopper at 150-200 -- you get the idea. And the finish products sell for the same as you're quoting or less. Overall a big loss if you buy the ingredients and try to sell the finished products. Frankly, I'm amazed that Aid Grimel hasn't completely trashed your skill-up-recipe component prices.

If your server has such low prices on supplies, yes I can see how you can make a small profit. However when you consider that at level 65 just one NPC kill nets you about the same profit -- for about 0.0001% of the effort of tailoring -- I fail to see why anyone would take up tailoring for money.

**drtyaty** · 12-24-2003, 01:21 AM

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I would Suggest

Originally posted by Tudamorf
I fail to see why anyone would take up tailoring for money.

Agreed, and it is a **** shame as a erudite that it is my cultural.

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