Normal tailoring exp, good, or bad?

[Ajilon TM]

Howdy, I'm working on the Aid Grimmel quest like so many others and was wondering if the skill ups I'm seeing are par for the course or different from what I should be expecting.

Started with Tailoring skill 174:

100 Solstice robe combines
-14 skill ups, now skill 188
-4 robes made a.k.a chains lost

100 Solstice robe combines
-6 skill ups, now skill 194
-3 robes made

100 Solstice robe combines
-4 skill ups, now skill 198
-2 robes made

This just seems odd, not that things seeming odd is new after 4 years of EQ, but what I'm getting at is my skill ups are getting fewer and farther between the better my skill gets but so are my successful combines!


is this just basically the work of the RNG?

And also one other question, I'm curious what skill level some people thought the robes were prohibitive because of losing the chains to often?

My tradeskilling is at the mercy of our raiding schedule, and unfortunately I'm not one of the lucky ones with a million or more plat in the bank to throw at the problem. Oh well, at least with 72 person raid caps and my PST schedule I should have lots of extra time to make all those stacks of Celestial Essence!

[Quikpick]

I just did 100 robe combines this weekend and got pretty much the same results.

- Skillups from 189 to 195
- Made 2 robes

Prior to that:

- 220 Solstice combines
- 18 skillups (171-189)
- made 5 robes

From what I have been reading, people say somewhere between 210-220 is where it starts getting cost prohibitive due to the number of successes. Your choices after this point are not going to be much better. I am still contemplating the lesser of two evils, farming lots of velium or farmimg flawless hopper hides.

[Ursawraith]

I have been getting ready for a huge push on my tailoring. My skill is at 194 and I have been gathering the material for:

• 230 Solstice Robe Combines
• 200 Arctic Wyvern Hide Combines
• 200 Flawless Rockhopper Hide Combines

My breakdown has been this.

Solstice robes are lots of subcombines (reminded me of Halas Meat Pie)

Velium is easy to come by farming but you would need a metric ton, and Fishing for hours by yourself for Cobalt Cod is not my idea of a good time. This seemed like the lesser of the 3 evils however.

Acrylia is also easy to come by but again the quantities needed seem daunting. Flawless Rockhopper hides are a *&@#^# to get in large quantities. I have usually get 2-3 in an hour of farming weither it's DSP or Mons or Scarlet Desert.

The best advice has been to do whatever you get your paws on and I would have to agree.

P.S. if you are on Sol Ro and want to dump Flawless hides on me I would be greatful.

[Qaladar Bragollach]

It is not unusual at all for skill ups to become rarer as your skill rises. In fact, this is the rule rather than the exception.

[filobeto]

Originally posted by Qaladar Bragollach
It is not unusual at all for skill ups to become rarer as your skill rises. In fact, this is the rule rather than the exception.

I'm waiting for the post thats says, I did 100 Robe combines, 8 successes and 0 skillups..... because it's coming, a few times...

At my present skill (235) I sat down and did 11 combines and made 6 Robes (zero skillups), ran out of chains. Went and made more chains, did 41 more attempts, 5 Robes, again Zero skillups. I have 15 chains remaining and these will probably be my last robe attempts as the precombines are becoming all so painful.

As much as I hate the robes, I can almost break even on my cost after the sell...... the are the worst of the 3 evils IMO, but there is still a demand for the robes, thus covering most of my investment to skill up.... the same can't be said about Arctic, unless you farm it all yourself.

I only wish I did this when the robes sold for 2kish.

Around 20-30 combines on average per point when your skill starts getting higher.

[arturio emerys]

My exp with solstice robes

At some point I decided Solstice Robes would be the cheapest way to proceed. So I GMed Jewelcraft and made a trophy, powerlevel an enchanter to 11 and a cleric to 29 to enchant silver and imbue emeralds respectively. My first try I made 6 Gem Studded Chains and attempted 30 Solstice robes. I got 3 skill ups and suceeded 6 times. My skill was 187 at start and wisdom of 300. Very disappointing.

My plan was to use Solstice Robes to get to 210, use my geerlok and 40 or 50 stacks of strands of ether to get to 212, continue with Solstice robes until 220 then do Acrylia, Arctic, etc to get to 250. I am slowly building stock piles of hides and components to do this.

Art

(edit: was closer to 30 or less attempts rather than 40)

[Wandazula]

I notice that skillups from about 190ish to 220 ish to be especiallly painful. After that it's much better (at least it has been for me).


And you won't need 40-50 stacks of the ether stuff for 210-212 those are by far the fastest skillups. After suffering to get to 210 you'll be surprised how quickly they come.



tailoring 234~

[Ajilon TM]

Originally posted by Qaladar Bragollach
It is not unusual at all for skill ups to become rarer as your skill rises. In fact, this is the rule rather than the exception.

I understand this and was expecting that, but the part that I found puzzling was that my successful combines also went down as my skill got better. Thats exactly opposite of what should be happening. The better your skill the more your supposed to succeed on a recipe!

[Daddo]

Re: My exp with solstice robes

Originally posted by arturio emerys
My plan was to use Solstice Robes to get to 210, use my geerlok and 40 or 50 stacks of strands of ether to get to 212

It took me 6 combines of ether to go from 210 to 212. I think I got lucky with 6 combines, but I've talked with several others and it appears that it only takes a small number of combines to do those skillups.

YMMV

Daddo

[arturio emerys]

update

Well, night before last I did another round of solstice robes. I had 3 gem studded chains and enough sacred tunarean silk for 24 attempts. Wisdom was 300. In my first 4 combines I succeeded twice, at 190 skill (no geerlok). On the next 22 attemtps I had no more sucesses but I also had no skill ups for any of that run.

I have another 200 imbued emeralds and a pile of celestial essence. I must admit this has been very dissappointing for me. I was hoping to get about 40 attempts per success at 190ish skill. Out of like a total 50ish attempts I have made 8 robes. If they sold well for good money I wouldn't mind, but going price seems to be under 500 Plat.

Art

[Qaladar Bragollach]

Originally posted by Ajilon TM
I understand this and was expecting that, but the part that I found puzzling was that my successful combines also went down as my skill got better. Thats exactly opposite of what should be happening. The better your skill the more your supposed to succeed on a recipe!

Don't attach to much meaning to small strings of random numbers. 300 trials is a small sample size to determine trends in something that has such a low chance of occurring. Humans love to read patterns where there are none. Your success rate and skill up rates could have gone down, up, stayed the same. You haven't done enough combines to say statistically that your results were particularly unusual.

Basically I'm saying its the work of the RNG. Sometimes you have a good streak, sometimes bad, somtimes average. It all averages out in the extreme long term, but we only remember the streaks.

[drtyaty]

I wish

I wish I was getting a skill up on every 40 tries with these robes. It may be close to 40, but it sure doesn't seem like it.

[Corsec]

At 191 skill I did 120 robe combines
305 Wisdom (maxed)
No Geerlok
191 - 48
192 - 28
193 - 18
194 - 1
195 - 2
196 - 15
197 - 8

Perfect 1 / 20
Had 4 successful robes. Notice I'm intentionally not using a geerlok to reduce my success rate as I'm not trying to resell robes to recoup. The RNG basically becomes a streaky wench. The best way to minimize its brutalizing effects is large combine batches. I'd never do a batch of Robes less than 60 combines at a time. (I prefer to do 200 at a time)

Cors

[arturio emerys]

What I meant was that for a total of approximately 50 attempts of Ceremonial Solstice Robes I made 8 robes and got 3 skill ups. The 3 skill ups were nice, but I was hoping to only make 1 or maybe 2 robes in those 50 or so attempts. The gem studded chains are expensive to make, even with a chanter and cleric bots to do the enchants and imbues. I'm hoping this was just a weird area in the RNG results and not typical of what I can expect in the future.

Art

[arturio emerys]

Ok, an update here. Had my bots imbue 200 emeralds and make the celestial essence and Art made 7 Gem studded chains. After 3 hours doing subcombines I had the makings for 63 ceremonial solstice robe combines. In those attempts I had not a single sucessful robe combine (YAY!) and 3 skill ups!

Now that is much more what I had in mind for solstice robes. Other information, 304 wisdom and skilled to 193.

Art