Increase in ornate drops and its effect on smithing prices

[byelka]

So let me get this all straight

1) The molds are dropping like crazy compared to before but only in tier 3 planes (which are tier 3 planes?)? sorry for my ignorance

2) Aside from the mold and other components (which I can buy in bazaar) all I need is some PP and be lvl 55 to talk to the guy get the stuff to make the armor?

[Saleani]

In Bastion of Thunder (tier 3), the tower bosses almost always drop a chest pattern/mold. The wing mini-bosses rarely drop a pattern/mold (and sometimes all they drop is fungus clumps and the container for the tower key).

In Plane of Tactics (tier 3), the named mini-bosses can drop patterns/molds (some always do, some occasionally do).

I have heard that some molds and patterns can rarely drop off of named mobs in Halls of Honor (tier 3).

In the Tower of Solusek Ro (tier 3), the drop rate of ornate patterns and molds has been raised significantly. Everyone who is flagged to go there used to only go there to get the elemental plane flags. Now they go for the ornate molds and patterns.

On my server, the components to make the hurricane and nightmare armors have been priced so poorly by folks (omg! that guy has fetid slime for 1k, I better price it at 990p) that there is no possible way that someone could make a profit making the armor.

[sumamael]

My opinion is that the Tier 1 and 2 armors never had a market. Parts are too rare and the plate's stats are sub-pair to cultural armor. Tae Ew killed the chain segment of the market with it's easily accessable only rare part the blood.

Yes, the new flood of ornate armor will kill the cultural armor except for the twink segment however I don't really care for two reasons, first the prices of cultural are already down at abyssmal levels and kinda hard to make profit on it anymore unless you farm everything yourself and second my cleric twink will be very happy in her new set of ornate armor

[Taraddar]

Re: remember the ornate requirements

To use ornate, you must be lvl 62+ or have the tier 3 flags.

Um, no. That's the elemental drops -- I forget the name. The ornate stuff is level 55 or tier 2 flags. I'm level 55, and Bors Warhammer happily responds to my inquiries, even without flags.

I still see a market for cultural from about level 40 to 55. That's a very long stretch of time for some folks, and cultural can fit the bill quite nicely if they have cash. Hurricane becomes feasible towards the upper end of tihs range, but then it's competing with the Ornate drops.

The elemental drops are no drop and still require full flagging to get into them.

Prior to the change to allow anyone into most zones with just a level requirement it required a tier 3 flag to get him to talk to you. Tier three being BoT, Sol ro, Hoh or tactics i beleive. The 2 zones of those that where opened up, bot and HoH, are level 62 to zone in with out flag and as such I'd assume thats the required level to do ornate armor with out flags if he even checks flags at all. Have you actually done any ornate quests or just hailed him and talked to him?

[wold2]

ornate molds, death of smithing anyways

Let me just add that the ornate molds were a true death blow to smiths anyway/ We don't even make the armor anymore, we just provide the metal (!!!). And some noob with smithing = 0 makes armor 10X better than we could ever smith.
What a dumb idea.

[Silound]

Mind now, you still need s sufficient level smith to make the sheets/rings. At the cost of those, I'm not going to just blow several hundred attempts at 0 skill tomake a 3 sheet item, MUCh cheaper to go buy the sheets premade.

Silound

[KyrosKrane]

Re: remember the ornate requirements

The 2 zones of those that where opened up, bot and HoH, are level 62 to zone in with out flag and as such I'd assume thats the required level to do ornate armor with out flags if he even checks flags at all. Have you actually done any ornate quests or just hailed him and talked to him?

I haven't made them yet as I can't afford the molds (still overpriced, given the new drop rates), but I'd submit the following as evidence:

To my knowledge, none of the Ornate Armors have a recommended or required level.

The Ornate molds / patterns are tradable and have no recommended level.

Previously, Bors Warhammer would only look at your flags. I believe he didn't care about your level.

Therefore, the only restriction on getting the ornate armors was getting Bors to hand you the Mystical Forge for the combines.

From the latest patch message:

- Bors Wharhammer - He will be checking level instead of flags as a requirement for his quests to bring him in-line with the flag removals for the lower tier planes.

Given that Bors talked to me at 55, it would follow logically that the armors have an effective required level of 55 now, instead of the former Tier 2 or 3 flag restriction.

[Moraganth]

Mind now, you still need s sufficient level smith to make the sheets/rings. At the cost of those, I'm not going to just blow several hundred attempts at 0 skill tomake a 3 sheet item, MUCh cheaper to go buy the sheets premade.

they require an adjusted skill of 220 to attempt.

[Reflan]

And use components that cost relatively close to nothing.

[Braeorn]

First, if molds only drop in tier 3, why would a lvl 55 be able to use them? Thats plain stupid...tier 3 requires 62 for the 'free ride'...

Second, I can understand a slight increase in drop rates for the molds/patterns, since for months getting one to drop was like winning the superball. But the amount to which they're dropping now is insane...they'll be 10k for most molds in no time at this rate. I'd say, expect a patch to trim them.

Third, I think tradeskillers should be peeved at dumb moves by soe like this. I see no problem with molds dropping that are better than made items. But when the come at almost no cost and drop more common than ingredients required to smith lesser armors, someone needs to give their head a shake.

Braeorn

[Zacatac]

Well as a silk wearing class, I'm all for the patterns dropping more

But it will also drop prices on things I hope. The Drop of Pure rain for storm armor is being sold for 2500pp EACH ! Now tell me why I should buy a dozen of them at that price, plus all the other things needed, in order to make storm armor if I can buy a mold and do a no-fail combine with better resulting armor?

I do not think cultural will be hurt that much. Current market on cultural is 6k/10k/14k for 1-3 sheet items. A BP for 14k is far, far less than what you will be paying for ornate BP mold. But things like Nightmare & Storm armor will be questionable. I've seen people trying to sell the Storm BP for 50k.

[Eumerin]

Re: remember the ornate requirements

To use ornate, you must be lvl 62+ or have the tier 3 flags.

Um, no. That's the elemental drops -- I forget the name. The ornate stuff is level 55 or tier 2 flags. I'm level 55, and Bors Warhammer happily responds to my inquiries, even without flags.

I still see a market for cultural from about level 40 to 55. That's a very long stretch of time for some folks, and cultural can fit the bill quite nicely if they have cash. Hurricane becomes feasible towards the upper end of tihs range, but then it's competing with the Ornate drops.

The elemental drops are no drop and still require full flagging to get into them.

Prior to the change to allow anyone into most zones with just a level requirement it required a tier 3 flag to get him to talk to you. Tier three being BoT, Sol ro, Hoh or tactics i beleive. The 2 zones of those that where opened up, bot and HoH, are level 62 to zone in with out flag and as such I'd assume thats the required level to do ornate armor with out flags if he even checks flags at all. Have you actually done any ornate quests or just hailed him and talked to him?

I spoke with him last night, and he runs through the whole spiel at level 57 (my current level), which strongly suggests that he'll do the hand-in at that level. My suspicion is that the devs changed Bor from a strictly flag based quest giver to a strictly level based quest giver (as opposed to checking both flags and level and allowing the quest if one of the two criteria were met). Since iirc, some tier 2 boss mobs do drop ornate molds/patterns (the dragon in PoV is one, I think), and since a level 55 PC could theoretically be involved in one of those killings, Bor needs to check either level or flag, and the devs probably decided to make things easy by just having him check levels.

There were a few pieces on sale late last night on Solusek Ro. Plate and Silk head pieces were both starting at around 20k. While it probably hurts for the people who work on cultural armor, given that I've spent the last three weeks unsuccessfully looking for Serene Steelweave Bracers (no one stocks them, the few Steelweave bazaar vendors I've actually managed to talk to all say they can't actually make the stuff, and /who all consistantly fails to turn up the sole 250 tailoring Erudite listed on my server), I'm hoping I might actually be able to buy some better armor in the not too distant future (not that I can afford even those helms atm).

[Axemaster]

I think the new Ornate drop rates are more in line with the Elemental drop rate. While we were flagging to get into the elementals, our guild got maybe 8 total Ornate drops. We got more Elemental drops in the first week of Elemental access.

I would however like to see a similar increase in smithed/tailored component drops at the same time. Taking 3 raids to get the items needed to attempt a legs combine is ridiculous. Especially when its not a guaranteed item (1 of 3 attempts succesful on earth legs for example).

Leave Ornate drops as they are - just increase tradeskill component drops - and all will be well.

[Taraddar]

As I said previously I assumed it was 62. It obviously isn't that tho. Last night I bought ornate silk helm and arms for my level 59 enchanter with no flags at all. Did the helm first as a test since I got them for 15k and they worked fine. I was then able to get a good deal on the arms and made a set of them too. So I can now say first hand that lvl 59 with no flags is sufficient to make the ornate armor. I'd assume elemental too since the only difference is the mold you use. Of corse you'd need to be elemental flaged or raid assisted into the elemental planes to loot the pattern.

[mulleteer]

I quested it at 56. the tuinc for my beastlord. This is an incrediably powerful item for a beastlord. Beastlrods don't get there first haste spell tell 60.

This tunic allows me to cast my lvl 63 beastlrod haste for no mana. This is the same haste spell that shamans get at lvl 56.

This is overpowering item now for a soloing beasltord from lvl 55 o 59.

Mulleteer Comobever