Enchant more Silver, Electrum, Gold, Platinum.

[Oymentrubel]

I am thinking Talisman thickener since it is for multiple objects also.

[greblhad]

Looked at some mage summon spells, not exactly the same since they are conjure and these are alteration but gave me a couple ideas for inks. I also had a wacky idea that each spell might use an enchanted bar of whatever like the necro pet spells using a bone chip.

I'm working with serpent, prexus and ayonae ro inks.

Nothing really seems to fit but gotta start somewhere.

[Ngreth Thergn]

Eanelder

If you have the time, you can give away the greater mass enchant spells if you knew them from beta.

(I asked Eanelder in general to allow the community the chance at discovery, and not to give away immediately all the recipes from beta)

[EloMist]

Ok found a new clue and a possible direction to go in.
Per Alla the new Greater Mass Enchant spells are available at the following levels:
Silver: 11 - Cleaned Rough Hide?
Electrum: 19 - Pristine Hide?
Gold: 28 - Smooth Supple Hide?
Platinum: 38 - Smooth Fine Runic Hide?
Velium: 44 - Pristine Supple Runic Hide?
Paladium: 52 - Spell Scroll?

Material is based on what we already know about Systematic Research materials but at this point its not certain. I would assume we would want to use Quill of the coercer since they are chanter spells only. Now its a matter of which inks to use and which thickener.

GME Palladium should be 54 according what I've seen elsewhere. Runic Spell Scroll?

I am thinking Talisman thickener since it is for multiple objects also.

Looked at some mage summon spells, not exactly the same since they are conjure and these are alteration but gave me a couple ideas for inks. I also had a wacky idea that each spell might use an enchanted bar of whatever like the necro pet spells using a bone chip.

I'm working with serpent, prexus and ayonae ro inks.

Nothing really seems to fit but gotta start somewhere.

Has anyone been able to make any progress?

My thoughts are that if it does require a "sample" of the material to be enchanted that it won't require an already enchanted sample (won't be able to make an "Enchant Dwerium" ability if no one can enchant the metal to make it) so I'm thinking this will fall backwards so that all the spells are similar.

With that assumption in place, I've fallen back to trying to make an Enchant Silver spell.

I'm not having any luck with it at all and was hoping someone had come up with at least one "Enchant >>Metal<<" of some sort, that we could extrapolate from.

Enchanter Only = Quill of the Coercer

Level 7 = Prepared Crude Hide



Ink Additive?

1) Ink Additive of the Nameless - As the spell is not resistable

2) Veeshan's or Zebuxoruk's Ink Additive - As one might consider that the spell can be resisted in a special unknown way... ie if you don't have the metal to enchant in the first place, but I'm not betting too hard on this option since you don't see these in any pet spells.

Thickener?

1) Invigorating Thickener - Because you enhance the target, but the target is not a PC/NPC so this may not hold in this case.

2) Conjuring Thickener - Technically you aren't bringing something into existence that wasn't there before, but I've tried it anyway.

3) Consuming Thickener - Because the enchanter is basically transfering mana into the metal to create the enchantment on it.

Inks?

1) Ink of the Nameless - because the enchanting of the metal could potentially increase any statistic depending on how it is used. /shrug
2) I don't have enough slots in the combine container for all the inks that MIGHT go in this.

I seem to be mentally blocked at this point. None of these combinations work, with or without a silver bar. Unless I've made a blatant error I really could use some fresh perspective, because nothing else makes any sense to me and I can't get past it. Or a link to any metal enchant spell combine would work. Thanks!

[Greylon]

Can't wait till one of you guys figure this out, have discovered how to make the dwerium bars and have 10 of them in bank just waiting to be enchanted.

[Oymentrubel]

How did you make them?

[Greylon]

plat bar + raw faycite + gnomish heat source

[EloMist]

With that assumption in place, I've fallen back to trying to make an Enchant Silver spell.

Okay, thought about this some more. Still no better luck in the combine, but should be trying to make Greater Mass Enchant Silver, not Enchant Silver. I've tried both Invigorating Thickener and Talisman Thickener (which was a great idea Oymentrubel). I'm really hoping it's just a matter of hitting on the right ink(s). If not, I may be spending my weekend doing every possible combine in order until I get what I want.

WTB raw crude hides PST

[greblhad]

I've had no luck either.

I used,

quill of the coercer
ink additive of the nameless

tried every combination of

enchanted silver bar
silver bar
conjuring thickener
talisman thickener
ink of the nameless
ink of the serpent
ink of prexus
ink of ayonae ro

(or think I have anyway).

[greblhad]

plat bar + raw faycite + gnomish heat source

=dwerium bar, nice. Now if only we could enchant it.

[greblhad]

Tried adding in ink of druzil ro and luclin's ink additive to various combinations.

Then doubled all the inks I've been trying but still no luck.

[EloMist]

BRUTE FORCE ATTEMPTS!

Tonight I started trying everything, in order. I want a template, so staying with GME Silver.

Sticking with 4 assumptions:

1) It's a level 7 spell and needs Prepared Crude Hide
2) It needs Quill of the Coercer
3) Ink Additive of the Nameless is the required additive
4) The thickener needed will either be Invigorating or Talisman

If I'm wrong on any of these, this effort is of limited value.

There is no single ink combined with the 3 fixed or 2 varying above that will make ANY spell, adding a silver bar also does nothing.

More tomorrow. Hasta la.

[Elfdruidess]

They are 51,52,53,54 (yes there is a 4th, it is just not sold, have to spell research it)

Dwerium is 60 and 61

There is no 100&#37; proof that Greater Mass Enchant Silver is lvl 7. In fact, Ally lists it as lvl 11.

The above quote from Ngreth is the only solid proof we have of spell lvls.

That is why I have been fiddling with lvl 60 and lvl 61 instead of doing silver.

I was sticking with (1) Quill of the Coercer, (2) Ink Additive of the Nameless and (3) Conjuring Thickener. For the rest, I juggle between (a) the non-enchanted metal, (b) Ink of the Nameless and (c) Ink of Prexus.

DNC up to now.

[EloMist]

There is no 100% proof that Greater Mass Enchant Silver is lvl 7. In fact, Ally lists it as lvl 11.

DOH! I even read that somewhere and it didn't register. Thank you.

I has a stick, but no Dwerium... Your idea may be a better way to go, regardless. At least you can eliminate a whole bunch of possible combinations due to existing spells at 61.

[kumbaja]

There is no 100% proof that Greater Mass Enchant Silver is lvl 7. In fact, Ally lists it as lvl 11.

Since Lucy is slow on proper updates, here are the spell levels from my spell parser:
Greater Mass Enchant Silver ENC(11)
Greater Mass Enchant Electrum ENC(19)
Greater Mass Enchant Gold ENC(28)
Greater Mass Enchant Platinum ENC(38)
Greater Mass Enchant Velium ENC(44)
Enchant Palladium ENC(AA) <-- Converts 1
Enchant Palladium Trio ENC(AA) <-- Converts 3
Mass Enchant Palladium ENC(AA) <-- Converts 10
Greater Mass Enchant Palladium ENC(52) <-- Converts 20
Enchant Dwerium ENC(AA) <-- Converts 1
Mass Enchant Dwerium ENC(AA) <-- Converts 10

I'm slightly confused about the GME Palladium since it's the highest one, but listed as a level 52 Ability (by logic it should be 54)