Spell Research in SoF

[Kross]

i said i could 3 box the dod spell arcs for one reason, to prove how easythey are. at any given time people are /lfg in the lfg tool. ask them to come along, i normally can get a full group of folks that don't mind doing them that either haven't done them in the past or have a twink that needs.

i still think raid drops and quest items should remain that way. rk. ii's being researched is fine.

[melkorr]

On my server, there never seem to be more than 15-20 people who are LFG. 80% are 75, there are usually a few mid-60s, and then a few lower levels. Of the 90% or so who are 60+, 70% of them have "katta faction" or "tbs" or some such thing in their comments, and would not do something like a DoDh mission. It's just not worth it for them. I should not have to bribe people in LFG to convince them to come back and play content which does not benefit them at all. Yes, it's wonderful that you 3 box, and that your server is full of nice people willing to help everyone do DoDh missions, but some servers aren't like that.

PS. Theres a key you might wanna try out; it's on your keyboard between Left Ctrl and Caps Lock (Do not use this one). It's commonly referred to as Shift, and it lets people like me read your post without {getting frustrated}

[Oymentrubel]

If the quested spells end up being researchable, I strongly hope that melee tomes will become researchable as well.

Since the Gates of Discord expansion melee skills have been obtained in exactly the same way as spells, via runes or quests. Since the tomes from runes only give one skill per level, it's not too difficult to collect one of each type and there hasn't been too much complaining yet. But if spells gained from group quests (DoD mission arcs, PoR quests) become researchable, those who argue about the difficulty of getting help for these quests will be appeased while pure melee classes (WAR, ROG, BER, MNK) will be left behind again, with the situation multiplied.

Many of these skills are extremely useful and important, with few direct upgrades, and even fewer lateral equivalents.

I apologize if this is the post that keeps quested spells from being researchable. I would be happy, however, if this ends up bringing researchable melee skills closer to the light of Norrath.

Disclaimer: I have neither read up on any arguments about researching melee skills on the Sony boards, nor felt the need to look for them. However, I didn't notice any in the Spell Research section at this site. Feel free to bash me into the ground as necessary.

I happen to agree with you. All it would take would be quill components added (Bruiser treatment perhaps for warriors?) along with the recipes.

[Kross]

On my server, there never seem to be more than 15-20 people who are LFG. 80% are 75, there are usually a few mid-60s, and then a few lower levels. Of the 90% or so who are 60+, 70% of them have "katta faction" or "tbs" or some such thing in their comments, and would not do something like a DoDh mission. It's just not worth it for them. I should not have to bribe people in LFG to convince them to come back and play content which does not benefit them at all. Yes, it's wonderful that you 3 box, and that your server is full of nice people willing to help everyone do DoDh missions, but some servers aren't like that.

PS. Theres a key you might wanna try out; it's on your keyboard between Left Ctrl and Caps Lock (Do not use this one). It's commonly referred to as Shift, and it lets people like me read your post without {getting frustrated}

coming from someone whos user name is in all lower case.

75's do help out in dodh's without being bribed. trying being polite and see how far that gets you, might be a stretch but you never know.

[Eanelder]

75's do help out in dodh's without being bribed. trying being polite and see how far that gets you, might be a stretch but you never know.

Sadly, it for some its faster to gain 5 levels and get the upgraded spell version off the TSS vendors then to try to get all 5 dodh missions completed. Unless of course you were one of the few unfortunate classes to not have your spell updated via a cash vendor.

Thankfully the devs have already said that the DoDh spells have got the go ahead for research. Now its just a matter of when.

[Andarriel]

I dont know but my wizard would love to beable to make rk3 of patient harvest.

Andarriel of the tribunal 345 with level 7 trophy =)

[Amparo]

I am getting far off topic, sorry.

I think some people are missing the point about DoDH spells and research. It does not matter that at level 80, these missions are easy to do. Level 80 or level 8000, you still need 3 people to do one. Lower the artificial requirement of 3 people to 1 and it would matter less if the DoDH spells are researchable because we could try our luck at soloing missions like people try their luck soloing former raid targets everyday.

I think the only reason the cry for DoDH and PoR spell research is so loud is precisely because of the 3 person rule.

There are people who started playing EQ in the last couple of years who have never heard of LDoN nor own that expansion because, literally, nobody does them.

[Jenifeal]

Where can we find the book with new recipes in the game? i'm on the combine so i have to all expansion till dodh atm

[Neebat]

It's systematic spell research... so the existing books cover MOST of the information.

For instance, all ice nukes for a wizard use pretty much the same recipe. You can look up the recipe for Black Ice and Draught of E'ci here. The only difference is the paper.

Ice Comet is another ice nuke for a wizard. So, I used the same recipe as the other two ice nukes, except I used the hide used in other level 49 spells like Vengeance of the Wild.

There are some I can't figure out, and I added them to the thread for Old Spells under new Recipes.

[Leonis]

I'll put it this way - I *DO* 3box, and I still can't get the "spell mission arc" spells for my necro or my mage or my cleric.

There was only one of those spell arcs that had a usuable disc for my War (Mock) - and he's had Scowl for months and has no reason to BOTHER going back to get the older lower-level disc.


I personally think it's quite reasonable for the DoD spell are spells to eventually be researchable.



I DO see no point in making the TSS "vender sold" spells researchable - even the rank II and III versions - since the rank II and III versions were such a small improvement over the rank I versions.

The TBS vender-sold spells I'm up in the air about - the FACTION required to get those makes them a PITA, and eventually folks will stop bothering with the Katta missions to get that faction. I'd say make those researchable probably 2 expansions from now.


Due to the way SoF is being marketed, and the earlier "anniversary pack" and such, I suspect a lot of the (relatively few) new players of the last year or so have LDoN but have no clue that they DO have it.