Skill ups per attempts

[schulerta]

Last night I worked on pottery in order to work on the Shaman Cudgel quests in Cabilis. My Troll Shaman had a Wis of 124. I dumped 10 training points into the skill, and started on small bowls. After 281 attempts, I only got 31 increases. I have a Rogue that mastered pottery in far less attempts with only a 99 Int. He has made it to 180, and it was a lot quicker. I remember when the Rogue was going through small bowls he was getting a skill up on almost every other combine. How much did they nerf pottery skill-ups? Did I just have a really bad run with the RNG?

Thanks,
Troy

[Unmei]

By all reports the nerf to pottery skillups was "severe".

I was at 180 at the time, or thereabouts, so I don't really know.

[Araon]

Before the nerf Pottery was the easiest of all the tradeskills to skill up in, as far as I could tell - it beat Baking by a long shot when I was doing both at the same time.

How tough it is now I don't know. Did some pottery last night (for the shawl), going from 135 to 153 with an average of about one skill up per seven combines, wisdom 251. Didn't seem too bad at all to me, but then I am used to one in twenty with smithing

[Jireg]

1000 combines (800 CT Idols, 200 Opal Steins) got me from 199 to 246. I am not mathemetician, make of that what you will. Skill 221 took me 159 attempts though.

[Sylvene]

The more advanced skill require more combines per point in skill advance is my experience.

[Chaid]

With a 305 WIS, I averaged ~33 combines per skillup from 200 to 250.

[Reflan]

Wis/int really pay for themselves. I wouldn't even bother with tradeskills without good numbers in them -- or str/dex for those skills that use those.

[Drexxell]

"SEVERE" barely describes the skill up nerf.

I'm currently working through Lined Poison Vials...

After collecting 225 skins, I began...went from 148 to 157 on 225 attempts
(9 skillups on 225 attempts is bad enough, but when you have to find the darned skins first, 225 of them don't just fall in your lap!)

My INT is 204.

Success rate was about 55%. VERY bad success rate when within 20 points of trivial.

Attempt-to-skillup ratio is about 1 in 28 attempts.

By my calculation, I'll have had to go through about 1100 skins before finishing LPVs and SPVs. (And that only gets me to 188!)

Does ANYONE else think VI went a *liiiiiitle* overboard with how severely they nerfed the skillup ratio? Aside from potters, who in their right mind has ever even tried, or been forced to acquire 1000+ non-ruined skins in this game?

And I know it gets worse from here on out, but for pity's sake, nerfing the skillup WAY down at the 150 level, especially on an item that requires a non-vendor bought component was sick and cruel.

Drexxell

[Calabar]

My druid’s experience with pottery after the nerf was not a pretty sight. With 255 wisdom he set out to get his last five points to reach 199 with casserole dishes. Here’s how “fast” those last five points came:

195 – 58 combines
196 – 73 combines
197 – 18 combines
198 – 194 combines
199 – 214 combines

My shaman will start working on his pottery after he reaches 188 smithing and 158 tailoring. It’ll be interesting to see if my druid’s experience was just a fluke.

[Razj]

Hi there -

My wee little Erudite Shadowknight decided to add Pottery and Jewelcraft to his tradeskill list this past week (Monday, perhaps?) so I got the skinny from the "Learn a Skill..." section.

Following the advice given in the Pottery Guide, I purchased 50 Medium Jar sketches, 250 Medium Bowl sketches and the required clay and water. It was a ho-hum time, I tell you, but when finished I had reached 117 (with 10 points in training). That works out to about a healthy 2.8 combines per skillup. Granted it was with a 184 intelligence, but that's not too uber.

All the combines were done in PoK and I just skipped the firing stage and dumped the clay bits on the ground. Based on that, it didn't seem that the low end of Pottery got dinged much at all. YMMV!

- Razj
"Who me? I'm no one of consequence. You must want my twin sister, Rozj..."

[Moraganth]

Aside from potters, who in their right mind has ever even tried, or been forced to acquire 1000+ non-ruined skins in this game?

all smiths that have made it past fine plate, which cannot use zombie skins, puma pelts, or black wolf hides.

[Grenoble]

Whew, thought it was just me.

Running into the same issue...working on lined and sealed poison vials. Guildies have been giving me stacks and stacks of skins, yet I'm getting 1 skillup per every 30 or so combines, just made it up to 158.

This is with 207 wisdom (232 if KEI'd).

So now I'm concentrating on brewing, baking, fishing, and fletching

[Leana Soulwarden]

Ick, no wonder. I have 280 wis. I went 13 skill ups in 400 combines from 222 to 235. I was anticipating about a 1 in 20 skill up rate, but got just over 1 in 30.

[Emelyn]

Pottery 200-250 took 1873 combines for me, or 37.45 combines/skill

I consider that I had pretty bad luck on this one. But I had very good luck on smithing, and that's just plain luck for me, so it all works out in the end.

A good average would be 1200 combines for 200-250, and this is what I saw in Baking, Brewing and Fletching.

Here's my numbers for all so far:
Pottery 1873 (37.45 per)
Baking 1334 (26.68 per)
Brewing 1199 (23.98 per)
Fletching 1170 (23.4 per)
Smithing 674 (13.48 per)

No data for jewelry (did 2 years ago) or tailoring (not done yet).

Like I said, I consider both pottery and smithing to have been aberations, and predict that 1200 combines 200-250 to be the norm for most skills.

[Drexxell]

Whew, thought it was just me.

Running into the same issue...working on lined and sealed poison vials. Guildies have been giving me stacks and stacks of skins, yet I'm getting 1 skillup per every 30 or so combines, just made it up to 158.

Guildies are helping me too, and while I don't like to tip my hand, I think this isn't any big secret -- fastest way to get stacks of skins is to farm Unrest. A 47th level chanter guildfriend of mine farmed there for me, out of boredom, and came away with 140 zombie skins in about 2 hours. For reasons like this, I'm glad I belong to a good and friendly guild that is more concentrated on helping each other than reaching uberness.

Drexxell the Necromancer
Wayfarers of Veeshan