Skill ups per attempts

[Sycloness]

I am making White Ceramic bands(231) for skill ups. With 330 wisdom with current skill of 218 I average 1 skill pnt for 40 combines.

[Luclingal]

I am very much glad I had done my poison vials before the nerf because that had me in a constant state of PMS. My skill ups range from 1/20 to 1/40 or thereabouts. I feel I am actually getting increases faster post-200 than before. I made probably several hundred combines from 196-200. Then after I did my AA to be able to increase past 200 it probably took 60-80 before I actually got it. I started to think there was something else I needed to do.

I have a second server druid, that I logged on thinking I'd do pottery, make something of her. She had done to the 120s before the nerf. So I dove into making the last of the vendorable items (ie bowls). I got to I think 150ish pretty easily, it wasn't as if I wanted to pull my hair out or anything.

[Pirsquared]

When I started pottery (before the nerf) at low levels I got a skill up every 1 or 2 combines. I don't remember what my wisdom was at the time; I did have a wisdom suit of some sort but it couldn't have been over 200 with KEI. A druid friend of mine just recently started working on pottery. 255 wisdom, KEI, geerlok tool, etc and has been getting a skill up every 6 or 7 combines on bowls.

- Pirsquared

[Aelf]

Skillup Rate

255 INT w/Geerlock

Starting Skill: 199
320 Attempts on Opal Encrusted Steins
Improvements: 11
Ending Skill: 210

round 2:
Starting Skill: 210
160 Attempts on Opal Encrusted Steins
Improvements: 2
Ending Skill: 212

[OberonMiM]

I recently decided to increase my pottery past 200

Well the first stack i did i got 5 skillups (201 actually happened on the first combine)

But then i realized that i had cursed myself. In order to trivial out on unfired planar steins i think i had to do about 300 combines total (i was stuck at like 210 for about 100 combines)

280 wis btw

[Drexxell]

Last night (4/29/2003) either my luck changed, or they un-nerfed pottery slightly. I'd been averaging 1 skillup per 30 combines. Last night, in 200 combines I got 18 skillups (1 per 11). I went from 157 to 175 in about a half an hour doing LPVs to 168 then SPVs up to 175.

Was I just lucky, or has the skillup ratio been un-nerfed?

Drex

[OberonMiM]

Dont think so

To continue my curse i did 120 opal stein combines yesterday(at 216 skill)

No Skillups /cry

[maevepalantiri]

heh, i've been complaining about this to my partner for the last 2 weeks,
starting at 198 skill i did roughly 400 (give or take 20ish) planar steins and got 6 skillups to get 204
i've done 3 sets of combines (200 each) of imbued erollisi marr idols since i hit 204
the first set i got 5 skillups, the second set i got 6 skillups, the third set i got 7 skillups whee!! which puts me at 222 now...man i hate casting clarify mana (and enchant clay, and imbue star rose quartz...)

[Reflan]

Drex, I went through the vial stage like lightning myself, with 265 wisdom at the time. I was completely thrilled how quick and easy it was -- and this was after the pottery nerf. I started at 144 and went through 188 on them. Now casseroles -- THAT was misery. Am 250 potter now.

To a certain extent it's not really Verant nerfing anything. It's how well you prepare or are prepared for tradeskilling, period. Doing tradeskills on stats like 104 wisdom or even 200 is kind of an act of desperation, or poor planning, or just not having the level or money to get good gear yet. You can probably guess I'm not a big fan of the idea.

Tradeskills are just not going to go very smoothly for you without good stats, I'm sorry to say. With my druid, I noticed huge differences between 150 wisdom, 180, and 225 in tailoring and baking. So with my shaman, I didn't even bother tradeskilling until over 200 wisdom. In smithing, I added 10 points to my wisdom with AA points the other day and my success rate skyrocketed.

[wrin]

To a certain extent it's not really Verant nerfing anything. It's how well you prepare or are prepared for tradeskilling, period. Doing tradeskills on stats like 104 wisdom or even 200 is kind of an act of desperation, or poor planning, or just not having the level or money to get good gear yet. You can probably guess I'm not a big fan of the idea.

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Sorry I disagree. Yes it is getting harder as I get up in the numbers but I hit 202 fletch at lvl 25. I'm currently 46 (woot planar oak here I come) and I'm at fletch 202, bake 193, brew 151, pottery 135, smith 113(or 118 I can't remember) tailor 78. I have 157wis. The hard part that I'm hitting is the same hard part that I hear everyone complalin about.

[GraemeFaelban]

Will have to look up some of the other numbers, but:

260 Wisdom

195 - 250ish combines
196 - 40ish combines
197 - 40ish combines
198 - 60ish combines
199 - 25 combines
200 - No luck so far, 40 combines down.

[Quesci]

1035 combines to go from 225 to 250 for an average of 43.4 combines per point. 305 INT.

[Reflan]

Yes, and it will be harder for you than people with better stats, Wrin -- very significantly harder. As it probably has been for you to get where you are now -- barely sliding past the very easiest parts on one or two of the very easiest skills.

Higher level pottery, smithing, or tailoring will be quite painful for you without better stats. Like it or not, that's the way it is.

The very least of the negative impacts on you will be spending vastly more hours to get the same skill levels others raced past you to get comparatively quickly and easily. Sony makes the rules, and that's the rules they made.

[wrin]

I still disagree with you. both on this statement and your original one (which was in my opinion rather rude too).

I have gotten where I am with no more difficulty than any of my friends that do skills. I got to 202 at lvl 25 with lower wis than I have now.

I got 15 skill ups on 150 combines the other night on pottery with 157 wis. That is 1 skill up for every 10 combines.

Tradeskills were not supposed to be easy. Sony also made them so that everyone could do them regardless of level, sorry they are not supposed to be just for the uber.

[Quesci]

Tradeskills were not supposed to be easy. Sony also made them so that everyone could do them regardless of level, sorry they are not supposed to be just for the uber.

I agree that they are not supposed to be easy, nor are they for the uber. On the other hand, Sony has on more than one occasion made tradskills more difficult. It makes sense to me that they designed the tradeskills with the expectation that only an elite few would have stats in the 200+ arena and that tradeskills were very viable for folks with 150ish INT/WIS. When people started getting 255 stats fairly easily, tradeskills were made harder.

There is nothing wrong with tradeskilling at 157. My monk does some basic smithing with a WIS in the 140 range. But before I take her above 188, I'm gonna find her some real WIS gear. It is just too painful to risk.