Enchanting metal - profit or loss?

[CliveTortoise]

Hey all,

Been reading the posts and nobody seems to agree that selling back enchanted jewelry makes a profit or a loss.

Last night (21st July 2004) I got from 200 to 209 by making Platinum Malachite Rings (magical). I had an INT of 242 and a char of 150 and a geerlok.

A stack of platinum cost me 2099pp anda stack of Malachite cost me about 1.5pp (roughly - too low to care!)

That means about 105pp per combine. I then sold it back to the vendor at 100pp.

This is a net loss of 5pp per combine (and a further 105pp per failure).

At 95% success rate 1 in 20 would fail. That means my loss per stack is

19*5 + 105 = 200pp per stack.

Now, I was doing this in PoK. Are prices universal (being a DE would I get better in Neriak? I doubt it, judging by everything I've read)? Is this just malachite (I've had profit from gold/fire emerald for example) or am I to expect similar losses now all the way to 250?

Ta
Tuerkal Amada
Erollisi Mar

[Mystyqe]

Ummm.,....

Been reading the posts and nobody seems to agree that selling back enchanted jewelry makes a profit or a loss.

250 JC here. Cost me about 1,400 pp (Sold some earrings and things along the way to defer costs).

I can unequivocably say that an enchanted piece of jewelry sells for more to a vendor (at least in NFP ) than an unenchanted piece.

I enchanted EVERY, SINGLE, STINKING bar of jewelry.

EDIT: Not that I'm bitter or still /e jerks, /e jerks suffering at all. ANd I GM'ed about 2-3 years ago.

[Jarak_akn]

If you look at Lucy you can see that Unenchanted a Platinum Malachite Ring goes for (max) 100 pp 0 gp 4 sp 9 cp
http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=16606
And enchanted (max) for 105 pp 0 gp 5 sp 0 cp
http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=14603

At least I *think* that is max price I seem to remember that at the highest level of Cha/Faction you could get some number in excess of that (105% ?)

Odd it looks like this was changed (back) in last weeks patch (17/7) the one that talked about stopping people making a profit on tradeskills.

Before that it was 115pp 0 gp 5 sp 8cp for the enchanted version which was enough to offset the 1/20 fail rate.
I can only assume that people with the mastery AA skill were making ~100pp a stack on highlevel jewelery combines and this needed to be nerfed :-/

Still at least the sell back still covers cost on enchanted versions, if not fails.

Jarak.

[Aalar]

I am a DE that GMed jewelcraft just recently. I can't address the sell back for enchanted vs non-enchanted - I'm not a chanter. However, I can address where I got the best prices. Strangely enough it was in NFP. A long time ago I maxed my faction with the merchants in Freeport and changed the guards in NFP to amiable (I like Freeport). The result was that I get the best prices in the game in Freeport.

I'm sure that if I maxed faction with Neriak merchants I might get bit better but for me when I need to do a lot of buying/selling - I do it in Freeport.

You get better Freeport faction with merchants and NFP guards by killing the orcs in the commons. And there is the little faction quest that starts in the secret tunnel in EFP to deliver some note or something to the guy in WFP (Note to Janam & note to Rebby) that improves faction with the E/WFP guards, and a number of other factions, without lowering any faction. I did that one a lot too. As a consequence, I am welcome in a lot of cities that normally hate DEs (HHP for one).

Aalar

[Tudani]

Enchanted jewelry used to sell back to a merchant for a slight profit over the plain cost of metal + gem. So people would do skilling on all enchanted jewelry to defer skillup costs.

However, this has been changed. A bunch of months ago when all the plat duping rumors were around almost all tradeskill combines that generated a profit from perchasing items from a vendor were changed to not do so. Among those was the enchanted jewelry.

I "believe" (but don't quote me on it) that the non enchanted jewelry pieces actually sell back to vendors for more than the enchanted jewelry pieces now. In either case, you'll be taking a loss on any combine unless you happen to find a pc who wishes to purchase the jewelry for more than merchant cost of components.

[CliveTortoise]

RNG caused me to NOT enchant

Well, I'm up to 229 now and it's cost me 10kpp to get from 190.

I had 150 char and was selling in PoK (which would make me indiff to merchant).

Enchanting the platinum would reduce my loss to 4 pp per item, not enchanting cost me about 8-9pp per item.

HOWEVER, in twenty stacks of platinum/malachite, I didn't get a skill up (at about 195). When I didn't enchant the metal I got 1 or 2 skill ups per stack.

This may well have been due to the RNG, but the speed difference in skillups was quite phenomenal.

Just need to get some more cash to make the final push now

:-)

[Tweedledea]

I did a lot of skilling up this weekend with gold geode rings.

Unenchanted gold - sell-back: a little over 1gp.
Enchanted gold - sell-back: a little over 1gp.

I did /feedback because I thought it was a bit much that you couldn't even recoup a tenth of your gold expenditure.

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In addition, here's a tip straight from the halfling's mouth:

Imbue a few stacks of metal and stick em on your bazaar mule! I ran around trying to get a few stacks of gold imbued, and just *6* bars of velium - it was like pulling teeth. No-one was selling any in the bazaar, and no-one wanted to enchant for me. You have a captive market!

[Danairy]

Aalar is right. And no matter what faction certain merchents will buy/sell for more or less. In PoK you tend to get better prices if you sell to someone of your own race. In Halas no matter what your race if you're not KOS and you can sell to the merchents the guy in the fishing hut (the Bonnie Mermaid, I do believe) has better prices then most of the other merchents and the merchents outside Halas (the two women by the fire and tents) sell for much less than most others. Also, about what Tudani said, I know that merchents tend to sell enchanted jewelry for much more than non-enchanted, so I can only guess that they would buy it for more also.

[JMorgana]

I did a lot of skilling up this weekend with gold geode rings.

Unenchanted gold - sell-back: a little over 1gp.
Enchanted gold - sell-back: a little over 1gp.

While this is a valid point, it's also one of the exceptions to the norm. The dropped LDoN gem combines sell for radically less to vendors than most standard JC skillup stuff...think that's bad? try selling platinum geode or velium.

[foarge]

re

Dont sell LDoN Jewlery back to a vendor, they are great tribute.

[Nenan]

They recently nerfed prices on sell back and you lose 5pp on a platinum Malachite ring if you enchant it on sell back and you lose 10pp if not enchanted. I even went back to my starting city and got the exact prices. I increased my CH and it didn't change the prices. This nerf is very recent because people that had the AA's were able to make money on sell back and instead of changing the prices to allow for the added successes they just nerfed the prices to the current.

Platinum for me was costing 104p 9g 9s 9c and the Malachite cost 5s 2c.
Sell back on the end result is 100p 4s 8c

so the lost per try is 4p 9g 5s 1c

then if you fail to make the ring you lose the full ~105pp

[Ozadar]

To Enchant or Not to Enchant

Finally got back to skilling up jewelry and decided to enchant the metals this time because you get more back from selling to the vendors (according to Lucy). I'm getting extremely slow skill ups, probably around 30-40 attempts per one success. I've got 335 INT and geerlock. Is it bad luck on my part, because I enchanted the metals, or did SOE nerf something once again?

Thanks!

Ozadar of the 70th Corpse
Tradeskiller of Zek

Baking - 200
Tailoring - 189
Pottery - 219
Smithing - 227
Brewing - 248
Research - 200
Fishing - 200
Jewelry - 210
Fletching - 200

(+5% to all skills)

[Elyssanda]

Just as someone who doesn't have a chanter YET (coming SOON*) I wish some enterprising chanters would take say 1 day a month even and enchant say 2 stacks of each metal type along with the stuff for pottery and sell it in the bazaar. I am SOO tired of trying to find a chanter who is willing to do this during their normal XP time. It's why I'm making a chanter.. hard to do higher pottery without enchanted XXXX.

[Ozadar]

I have a 42 chanter. One more level and boom . . . Enchant Velium baby. Then I'm off to my quest for 300!

Ozadar of the 70th Corpse
Tradeskiller of Zek

Baking - 200
Tailoring - 193
Pottery - 219
Smithing - 227
Brewing - 248
Research - 200
Fishing - 200
Jewelry - 210
Fletching - 200

(+5% to all skills) + Salvage I

[Qaladar Bragollach]

The sellback percentages on velium stuff is drastically worse than platinum.

Not as bad as geode items but pretty bad.

When you get down to 295 you may find Gem Studded Chains cheaper depending on how much you are paying for blue diamonds.