My cost to raise JC from 0 to 250

[Cedir]

For skillups on failures, he got 29/228, which is 12.71%. And for skillups on successes, he got 221/2193, which is 10.07%.

Doesn't really speak for the notion that skillups are more likely on success. And, with 2421 combines, that's a pretty good run.

Although, didn't we recently hear that you need a sample size of about 1 billion to get even distribution from EQ's RNG?

[jawn]

There are a number of companies that will give you free space for posting images, or perhaps your ISP already does. Check to see if you have any web-space, and if so, see the manual or help section for information about posting the files.

Yes, I beleive my ISP does offer some free web-space. I tried to register, but every time I enter the account managment web page, it crashes my browser, so I have not been able to register.

In the meantime, I suppose that if anyone wants a copy of the plots, they can PM me with their e-mail address, and I will send a copy of the the plots. I check in here on a fairly regular basis, so it should not be too long before I notice a PM sent to me.

[BlueCanary]

Wow.

That is an amazing amount of info, and really helpful for those of us thinking of getting into the jewelry business. Congrats on 250!

I was wondering if you remember or have recorded what your lowest point of cash reserves was. Did you need all of that 10,000 platinum at a particular point, or did it hover above a certain number the whole time?

[jawn]

I don't remember what my lowest point in cash reserves were, but one thing I did is buy 5 stacks of Gold Bars and 3 stacks of Platinum Bars right at the beginning. The reason is because I read that is was difficult to impossible to keep up with enchanting them while working on them. I had planned on doing non-enchanted silver up to Wolf's Eye Agate, so I used the time early on to get ahead on enchanting the gold and platinum. The other thing I did was buy a stack of each kind of gem from Malachite up to Topaz.

You don't have to have 10,000 all that much as long as you can handle buying a stack of platinum at a time, which is 2099.980, and to keep a reasonable supply of gems on hand, to avoid the constant right-clicking a merchant to transact purchases and sales. I am pretty sure you can do it with a starting capital of 5,000.

So with my purchase of 5 stacks of Gold Bars and 3 stacks of Platinum Bars, I spent 7349.840 up front just on some of the more expensive bars. The amount spent on the stack of each gem from Malachite to Topaz was 537.520. I think I also bought some Electrum Bars up front too, and of course, Silver Bars because that is what I started using right away.

[drtyaty]

Great Post

This post is fantastic.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!

I will be grandmastering jewelcrafting very soon, and this information will surely tell me almost everying I need to know.

It also gives folks a great reference tool to look at when they are wondering if their progress is being hindered by the rng.

Great post.

[eniamn]

dont enchant your bars anymore. they now sell back for less than unenchanted. speculation says macroers were abusing it and this nerf went a little too far. not expecting it to be changed back myself.

[Zaltron]

quick visual chart for those of us who like charts better then tables. nothing special just another way to see the number of combines it takes to skill up 10 points.



Happy clicking...

[Sadine]

Just wanted to add my thanks. I just used this to become a GM Jewel Crafter!

Also got my trophy!

[BartRN]

You have far too much time on your hands but good info :P

[Sadine]

Let us know if you do this for any other tradeskills!

[Splix]

hmm

Hi.. I appreciate your guide and advice.. but Im adding up your failures on platinum bars.. platinum sells for around 100ish, and you have about 58 platinum failures, which itself is 5800pp, so that right there shows me that you must have gotten outside money or something.. and thats not counting expensive gold + gems.. or other ones..

Not trying to be a dick, just trying to show this.. I just got JC from 190 to 250, and it cost me about 15k and Im 240 cha unbuffed and max 280int and using the eyeglass skill mod. I didnt fail much either.. maybe 1 fail per 40 combines.

[jawn]

Re: hmm

Originally posted by Splix

so that right there shows me that you must have gotten outside money or something..

There was no outside money. The figures in my original post and subsequent replies are both precise (i.e. down to the copper, not rounded), and accurate (because I have the log file, all 1,648,153 bytes of it).

Prep work ahead of time

Made various lists and notes for myself, for example:

-- items I wanted to buy ahead of time, which was mentioned in one of my replies, when someone asked how much cash reserves were needed to do this project

-- list of gem / bar combines and the trivials for them

-- when I want to switch from silver to electrum, from electrum to gold, and so on

-- made a pot of coffee, etc...

On the day I started

I was logged in on my bazaar mule. He is the character where I keep most of my cash. I put exactly 10,000 (ten thousand) plat in the shared plat slot. The shared bank slot was empty before I put the 10,000 plat into the shared plat slot.

/camp desktop

I ran the MS command window program, inside the window, I ran ftp to copy my enchanter's log file to my Linux system. I do this periodically anyway to keep the log files from becoming too large.

The reason I copied the log file from the EQ directory is so that I could delete the log file and start afresh. I did this because I did not want my log file polluted with old information which was not part of this project.

So now I have no log file for my enchanter character in the EQ directory on my Microsoft system.

I logged in to my enchanter.

I went to the bank.

I took all platinum in my inventory window and placed it in the NON-SHARED platinum slot of the bank.

I took all gold in my inventory window and placed it in the gold slot of the bank.

I took all silver in my inventory window and placed it in the silver slot of the bank.

I took all copper in my inventory window and placed it in the copper slot of the bank.

I took most of the 10,000 plat from the shared plat slot in the bank. I left some behind to avoid being encumbered top much.

I parked myself between Kirem Deepfacet and Audri Deepfacet in The Plane of Knowledge.

I pressed F9 three times, adjusted my camera view until I could see both merchants at the same time so I could right-click on either of them with out having to turn around each time I wanted to buy or sell items.

I did my project. I am not going into detail on this because it is pretty obvious what steps are required. In general, you buy items, you enchant metal, you combine items, you sell items, over and over and over...

When I dinged 250 in jewelcraft, I went to the bank and converted copper in my inventory window to silver, and so forth for silver to gold, gold to platinum. By this time I had removed the remaining cash from the shared plat slot in the bank.

Then I issued the following commands:

/2 Left over items:
/2 Left over 2 enchanted silver bar, 4 enchanted electrum bar, 3 enchanted gold bar, 4 enchanted platinum bar
/2 Left over 5 cat's eye agate, 2 jade, 6 pearl, 2 star ruby, 2 ruby
/2 Blue diamond jewelry kept: 3 Silver Blue Diamond Ring , 4 Blue Diamond Electrum Earring , 3 Golden Blue Diamond Pendant
/2 One failure on pendant
/2 Left over cash 5904.266
/2 Prices for left over items

At this point, I was finding out the prices that a merchant would pay for each of the left over items.

/camp desktop

Ran the MS command window program, ran ftp to copy the log file from my windows system to my Linux system. This is the log file I mentioned above, all 1,648,153 bytes of it. It contains only my jewelcraft project to raise my skill from 0 to 250, and keep track of the costs, the successes, the failures, basically everything that I posted about it.

End of project

Where I said "I am not going into detail", there are things such as going to Ak'Anon to buy Wolf's Eye Agate, medding, casting enchant metal spells, going to bank to finally withdraw from the original 10,000 plat in the shared bank slot, camping out because it was getting late, sleeping, then coming back the next day to finish the project, etc.

Some of the work done after the project was completed

I wrote two perl scripts, one was to add up all the items I bought and the other was to add up all the items I sold. Running them confirmed my figure for the left over cash.

Lots of work formatting the data to post on this message board.

An example of how some of the loss on 58 platinum bars was recovered

Cost
-------
104.999 Platinum Bar
  0.052 Malachite
-------
105.051 total cost to buy the ingredients to make a Platinum Malachite Ring

A merchant pays 109.579 per Platinum Malachite Ring.

  109.579 Sell Platinum Malachite Ring to merchant
- 105.051 Buy ingredients to make a Platinum Malachite Ring
  -------
    4.528 x 265 Platinum Malachite Ring(s) sold = 1199.920

The figures for a gold bar plus fire opal are: 65.714 - 62.998 = 2.716 x 166 sold = 450.856

I leave it to you do do the rest, as quite frankly, I think that I did enough. This was a labor of love. I saw several messages about how much it cost to raise jewelcraft from various levels to 250. I wanted to give something back to the EQTraders community.

[Alisanthax]

happy me

This all makes me glad i hit 250 jc back before the enchanted bar nerf. i went from 0 to 250 for a grand total loss of about 500pp. and my int wasn't even maxed at 250 until i did 225+ lol.

ah and if you're the splix i know from BB HI!

[Splix]

~

Im guessing they changed prices on that all than recently? I didnt imagine they would do that or heard about it even. And still I said I appreciate your guide

And Yea Alisanthax I play on BB, is that your characters name there? Doesnt sound familiar to me Gimme a tell ingame, Im always on Well almost ;p

[Rorgg]

By the way, I captured my data to run Jewelry Making from 200 to 250. I knew I'd spent 2.1k to go from 0 to 200. Here was the run from 200 up. All metals were unenchanted, I had a WIS of 280 and best price for buying/selling.

Gold Fire Emerald
201 10
202 21

Platinum Malachite
203 31
204 32
205 42
206 19
207 4
208 7
209 8
210 23
211 10
212 77
213 35
214 14
215 27
216 6
217 29
218 38

Platinum Lapis
219 21
220 61

Platinum Turquoise
221 23
222 27
223 6

Platinum Hematite
224 1
225 110
226 3

Platinum Cat's Eye
227 9
228 12

Platinum Bloodstone
229 39
230 49
231 28

Platinum Onyx
232 69
233 23
234 12

Platinum Jasper
235 24
236 69

Platinum Carnelian
237 34
238 24
239 23

Platinum Rose
240 92
241 15
242 1

Platinum Amber
243 27
244 7

Platinum Jade
245 8
246 39
247 6
248 33
249 1
250 30

The only shortcuts I took were buying gems in stacks of 20 and selling off extras when trivial hit (fairly inconsequential loss), and skipping Wolf's Eye Agate for 245-247 or whatever, but skillups on Jade were fast, so probably no loss there. The total cost for the 200 to 250 run was 5.2k for a total cost 0 to 250 of 7.3k.

Do with it what you will.

Oh, and this is the only skill I've bothered to 250, generally I stop at effective max, so yay JC for having me join the 1450 club.