My cost to raise JC from 0 to 250

[Lothay]

Re: BTW,

Originally posted by drtyaty
I forgot to ask what a CSV file is?

Thanks,

CSV = Comma Seperated Vales.

It's a format ofr exporting data from one program and allowing for easy import into another.

[drtyaty]

Muchos Gracias &

Thank You!!

But what fields was he trying to represent? I must have missed it. In other words, what were the numbers representing.

Thanks in advance,

[eole]

Maybe this is worth mentioning. I did JC to 243, it took approximately 10hours. I didn't get myself a geerlok until
I started hitting 200, I don't know why I left it so late, but
what I noticed was that the UI said my skill was 10+ higher
because of the geerlok, I could make items that were
effectively trivial because of the geerlok but granted me
skillups.

240-242 plat + star rose ( with 252 skill )

done with a geerlok that says your skill is effectively 252
gives skillups to 242. I get the impression that people
include the geerlok when determining which items to
skillup on...

The entire process from 0-243 cost me <20k I had
255 with KEI for nearly of combines and did not enchant
any bars of metal ( Im a druid )

[Arghargh]

The geerlock improves your success rate, but has no effect on what is or isn't trivial. I never used it when deciding which recipe to make next, and I doubt anyone else does either.

The only time a geerlock comes into play on choosing a recipe is tailoring and smithing. It raises your effective skill so you can make ethereal metal rings, or ethereal silk swatches from 210 to 212. These both require a modified skill of 220 to make.

Arghargh Grumble, Darkblood
65 Ogre Shaman of Rallos Zek

200 Alchemy
250 Baking
250 Blacksmithing
250 Brewing
200 Fishing
200 Fletching
200 Jewelry
200 Pottery
184 Tailoring

[eole]

That's interesting because the new GUI shows the modified
skill when carrying geerlok ( to right ) and it would appear to
change the color ( trvial green, light blue... ) of the recipes.
Just a quick observation, a friend of mine spent 11k raising
his skill by 1 point 210-211, Im guessing he was using the geerlok modfied values and not the closest trivial.

[illovich]

To the people who are posting that they spent 20k (vs 4k)... what's the difference between your path and Jawn's?

Is it that he kept track of sellback and you didn't, or that he did a different skillup path, or maybe that he was just impossibly lucky?

I'm just curious... I'd be willing to jump-start my JC if I knew I could go from 109 (my current skill) to 200 (and maybe 250 later) for less than 4k, but 20k to go from 200 to 201 is a totally other story.

[keredh]

A fantastic post and reassuring for all those of us stuck at 199! This may be a stupid question, but are your sales figures for NPC or PC sales?

Keredh

[jawn]

Originally posted by keredh
A fantastic post and reassuring for all those of us stuck at 199! This may be a stupid question, but are your sales figures for NPC or PC sales?

Keredh

My sales figures are NPC prices.

[keredh]

I've just realised how stupid that question was...

[keredh]

My enchanter alt hit 250 on Sunday and succeeded on his trophy combine on first attempt. Thanks for the advice - with limited playtime it would have seemed impossible to achieve.

[Anubsin]

something else to keep in mind...

There was a time when enchanted jewlery got equal to or less then the cost to make when selling back to the vendor during these dark times of crafting ppl would seasily spend 2k+ per skill up especially at 195 (i had 200 combines at this level and i seem to be fairly consistent with jawn). However now if you use enchanted metals you seem to get about 5-7% back from the vendor for successful combine so you have a chance of breaking even with ever skillup. (remeber now matter your skill you have a minimum of a 5% chance to fail).

[Coddas]

Enchanted Clarification

First I would like to thank you for the awsome information, I was just sitting down, trying to map the cheapest route to go, this is a big help.

I would however like a little clarification on the enchanted metal thing. Do you get a small profit on the enchanted stuff or not? (As of April 2004)

Thank you again.

[Anubsin]

I know the high end gold and all platinum gives a small profit it seems to be inverse to the loss of unenchanted

so if an unenchanted platinum malachite ring costs you 10p to make you will make 10p if you enchant the platinum bar first.

odds say that you will not make a true profit but instead will break even, due to the occasional failure.

[Elensar]

I've been working on JCing over the weekend (209 now), enchanted bars defenatly sell back for profit. With silver, it's barely noticable (gaining like 3 copper isn't worth the effort of enchanting them to me), with electrum it goes up to a few silver, with gold bars, on the expensive items I'd gain like 2.5pp per sell back (still making loss due to fails tho), and now with platinum I'm almost up to 5pp profit for each enchanted bar I sell back (while I'd make a loss if I didn't enchant them). Of course because of failures, I doubt I'm actually making money (skilling on items with a 95% chance of success, I'd still fail 1/20 on average, and make less than 100pp back from all the successes). So far tho, I've never had to run to the bank for more money, even after some horrible luck on failures (6 out of 10 fails on 95% success combines ), since it tends to even out with getting real lucky at other times (like doing 100 combines without a fail).

So far JCing hasn't been too bad money wise, I haven't lost much money at all. The only problem for me is that it takes so awfully long for skillups (I think I'm averaging 40+ combines per skillup now at 209, with my worst luck being 123 combines before I went from 200 to 201). As long as you're willing to spend a lot of time (enchanting is what slows me down, I'm a bard myself but I use a chanter friend to enchant them, problem is he's 44 so not KEIable yet), use a geerlock and stick really close to trivs and always enchant bars (you can skip enchanting silver/electrum to speed things up with only minor loss in money), it shouldn't cost much money, just time (since every success you have, you're actually gaining money, so even if you don't skill up, you're not losing money either, just time).

[Windru]

LDON jewelry

My enchanter is 212 jewelry, and my guildmates save their Geodes, Amethysts, and Polished Quartzes from their LDON adventures. I appreciate their effort, but vendors will NOT give more than a few gold pieces for a platinum LDON combine. So I end up giving them to my tribute master for 600 to 800 trib points each.

I have probably just been unlucky, but I have not seen a skill up on any platinum ldon combines. I am almost level 60, and at that time I'll have more money to spend getting my JC to 250. I will definitely be using Jaws' guide to help me.

Thanks J !!

Windru Peacekeaper, 55 druid
Bofor Shinystone, 60 enchanter
Cazic Thule