Grandmaster's Satchel

[Ilona]

7 bags
1 contains food and water
2 containes right click items and reagents
Last 4 fast gets filled up when you are main looting during a raid.
You summon one more to get room for more stuff..
zone / server crashes - sorry you were just unlucky, the 10 ornate pieces you have gotten during the solro raid just happens to have been in your no rent bag, you are unable to login within 30 mintes.
grats poof.

Transfer your food and water to the norent bag, and put the 10 ornate pieces in your rentable bag.
I'd never (knowingly) carry something important/expensive in a norent bag.

[kagonis]

That kinda defeats the point.
I don't want to have to rearrange the contents of my bags cause an item I have paid over 10k for only summons unreliable no rent bags

[splunge]

My server can come down for no reason at any time of any day. Using a no-ret bag for anything makes about as much sense as jamming a sharpened pencil in your eyes repeatedly.

To me, no-rent bags dont exist. I just have a dragon bag, tink bags and Haversacks.

I suggest everyone adopt the same policy.

[Marteeny]

This seems like a very petty complaint.

I don't want to have to rearrange the contents of my bags cause an item I have paid over 10k for only summons unreliable no rent bags

Do you realize you could reorganize two bags in less time than it takes to summon one of these?

I can't believe you are making such a fuss out of a nice feature that was given. Why don't you just carry around an 8th bag all the time?

Or get a collapsable sewing kit? I believe they are 8 slots and can fit into another bag. Open it up when you need to. You can't honestly complain about a difference of 2 slots.

Plus, it seems that you are severely exaggerating.

7 bags
1 contains food and water
2 containes right click items and reagents
Last 4 fast gets filled up when you are main looting during a raid.
You summon one more to get room for more stuff..
zone / server crashes - sorry you were just unlucky, the 10 ornate pieces you have gotten during the solro raid just happens to have been in your no rent bag, you are unable to login within 30 mintes.
grats poof.

You can't be serious.

10 slots for food and water? Does your raid last for a full week? 1 stack of food and water is plenty. Some may carry 2 stacks of food and drink. One with stats, and one to consume so you save your stat food. This saves you 6 slots.

20 slots for r-clickies and reagents? You could use the 6 slots you saved from leaving you Old country buffet in the bank, and put your reagent here. 6 slots = lots of reagents. Now regarding your r-click items. How many r-clicks do you use? Really? I haven't been on high end raids, so correct me if i'm wrong, but most people only have a couple r-click items. 4-5 tops.

Now if you are the main looter, why are you bringing 3 full bags to the raid anyway? How many raids have you been on that have caused you to go LD and could not get back for over 30 minutes? Unless your ISP goes down, or the server goes down for extended time, it's not going to happen. Usually if the server goes down unexpectedly, it rolls back anyway so you would still lose the loot.

It just seems like you are just looking for a reason to complain.

[Aeryl]

Originally posted by Taushar
You are making an assumption that you are there for only one item. Of course if you only collect one item that is stackable, you can hold 200 items in one bag. However, if you collect 1 each of 10 different stackable items, it will still fill up a bag with 10 slots.

Taushar

It's funny that you quoted my post and still didn't read what I said. I listed the possibility of 10 non-stackable items, but I'm still hard pressed to think of anything like that in WW where you would need space and need it fast.

Back to the original complaint. The only problem here is the lack of foresight that you guys have. If you're going to be the main looter on a raid in Sol Ro and you'll have lots of ornate sitting in your bags, bring an 8th bag along that isn't no rent. Admittedly, I've never been in Sol Ro, but I have a hard time believing you'd fill 5 bags even as the main looter for an entire raid. Honestly, this whole thing is pointless.

I use the no rent bags for cheap, buyable ingredients like water. I don't have a lot of extra bags because almost all my bank slots are filled.

[Taraddar]

Originally posted by Eleena Transient
Um, thats exactly how it works. Lets start out assuming you have 0 bags, just got trophy:

Click trophy, you now have 1 no rent non-lore bag
give bag, you now have 1 lore rentable bag
Click trophy, you now have 1 no rent nonlore bag AND 1 lore rentable bag
Click trophy, you now have 2 no rent nonlore bags AND 1 lore rentable bag
Click trophy, you now have 3 no rent nonlore bags AND 1 lore rentable bag
etc etc

I'm not seeing the problem here.

The original poster proposed changing the bag that was summoned by the trophy to be non no rent which would end up changing thier behavior.

[Taraddar]

Originally posted by kagonis
But ya. I can see how people dont want to lose the no rent bag, cause it isnt lore. But hey, go talk with a mage and you get the very same thing. the no rent containers are IMHO crappy worthless containers that I would never ever in my misserable existance rely on.

Kinda defeats the point of being able to summon them yourself. Don't always have a mage around and even if you do it's alot more hastle to ask someone else than it is to just click on your hammer.

The reason I wanted trophy was that then I could summon 1 extra bag in case i needed the room. But due to the fact that I do not trust no rent bags, that idea is wasted.

Maybe do a bit more research then before you spend 10k making your trophy rather than trying to change the behavior to suite your preference after the fact.

[kagonis]

Originally posted by Marteeny
Why don't you just carry around an 8th bag all the time?

Because if you haven't noticed, no right clickies can be used from within a bag. If you read my earlier posts you will see that I use the 8th. slot for mod rod, and only when I actually need the extra room do I throw a bag in that slot.

Originally posted by Marteeny
Or get a collapsable sewing kit? I believe they are 8 slots and can fit into another bag.

8 slot, large item, 0% wr as opposed to 10 slot, giant item, 100% wr. Do the math.

Originally posted by Marteeny
10 slots for food and water?

Yes. I do not want to concernt myself about food at all times.

Originally posted by Marteeny
20 slots for r-clickies and reagents?

1slot Enduring Breath item
1slot Shrink device
1slot Mana batteries
1slot Collapsed Toolbox
1slot Opals
1slot firebeetle eye
1slot arx key
1slot 1hb01
1slot 1hb02
1slot 1hs01
1slot 1hs02
1slot 2hb
1slot non-melee staff for more hp/mana
1slot right click evac
1slot right click dot01
1slot right click dot02
1slot right click regen

This is the base I allways carry around.
Often I also carry reagents around for other classes. And I'm even lucky that I dont have to carry 10 different keys around for various doors in Ssra, Vex Thall, Plane of Air or Plane of Earth.

Originally posted by Marteeny
why are you bringing 3 full bags to the raid anyway?

Because many right clickies free up a spell gem. That is VERY usefull.
If we suddenly are called to raid in PoWater I like to be able to equip my EB item.
If we are raiding some casual style, or I'm OOM then I can melee.
If I have to worry about food or reagents I might as well have raided PoK.

Originally posted by Marteeny
How many raids have you been on that have caused you to go LD and could not get back for over 30 minutes?

Plenty. A game world is run by multiple servers, that each run various zones in the game world. If one of those servers go down you can be staring at your char select for quite some time.

Originally posted by Marteeny
Unless your ISP goes down, or the server goes down for extended time, it's not going to happen.

You put pretty much faith in SOE don't you? Well don't.

Originally posted by Marteeny
Usually if the server goes down unexpectedly, it rolls back anyway so you would still lose the loot.

This is true. But you can to a certain degree counter this by forcing a save of your character everytime you have looted something important.

Originally posted by Marteeny
It just seems like you are just looking for a reason to complain.

Perhaps I am. There are so many things I could complain about. Now I choose this one. If I just sit back and don't let myself be heard, or if everyone just did that, would you think we would ever get something changed for the better?

I have been raiding in zones that I could almost with 99% certainty say would crash at least once during our stay there.

Try and count the number of runes you loot during a raid in an elemental plane. We don't raid just one zone during a day.

Another reason for posting it here was to hear other peoples opinion on the subject. Their arguments. I can see how its nice to be able to summon multiple bags. But I have 1 slot free, I need to summon 1 bag.
I doubt many people that are at the stage to be able to make a trophy are running around with much more than 1 empty slot, why would they want to summon multiple no rent bags?
To put them in bank? For what reason?

I could see the benefit, as people allready suggested, that you could get a unique 100% WR, 10 slot, giant item bag, per trophy, in wich case you could ultimately summon 7 to 9 bags, depending on your race and class. In this case you would get some nice bags that you could allways save.

[Marteeny]

If you want to carry around that much stuff, fine. I carry around quite a few things myself. I almost fill 2 10-slots with the crap I like to have with me at all times.

I guarantee though, if there was a chance that I was going to be the looter on a raid, I would only bring what is necessary to ensure I had room.

It looks like you have a few options here.

1)Deal with the fact that these bags are no rent. If they were not no rent, just about everyone in the game would have a trophy. They would be the most useful item in the game.

2)Carry an 8th bag. You already admit to having a ton of r-click items that you need to swap out to use.
So without an 8th bag you: open bag with desired click item, move it to the empty bag slot, r-click it, then move it back.
Now if you carried an 8th bag you would: Open bag with desired click item, move it to ANY bag slot, r-click item while the bag that was in that slot is on your cursor, put bag and click item back.
The only difference is that you would not have your mod rod in the 8th slot at all times.

3)It looks like you already carry around the collapseable toolbox. Use it! You mention that it can't hold giant items and has no weight reduction. What % of items in this game are actually giant sized? Maybe .5%? You said you already have 6 100%wr bags and 1 85%wr bag. Do you mean to tell me that your character cannot carry around 1 full bag of gear without going over weight limits? I don't know your race or class, but you are not a monk so there is no reason you cannot carry 1 full non-wr bag.

[Verdandi]

I'm perfectly happy with the way they work now. I like having the endless supply of No Rent bags for the few instances when I need extra bag space. I don't use them often, but when I do they're usually getting me out of a real bind. I just shuffle less valuable stuff into them and put the really worthwhile items in my permanent bags. Then I empty out the summoned ones asap. Yes it's extra work, but that little bit of extra work grants me the extra flexibility of having access to as many additional bags as I need.

I think the problem is that you have too much stuff you want to carry around. I've got three full bags of food, reagents, gear, etc on me at all times. I also keep my sow boots in a general slot and another general slot empty for other clickies, temporary containers (quested, summoned, holding containers for someone else, etc). That still leaves me room for three other bags that are usually free. It's work to keep on top of those so that they don't fill up with random junk, but that's life. In a pinch I drop my sow boots in a regular bag and have room for one more summoned. This system has been working very well for me for quite some time. I'm not you, none of us are, but it seems not many other people share your concern. Perhaps you should look at winnowing down the amount of stuff you carry around? I only keep two stacks of food and drink apiece, and can go at least a week or two before replenishing...and that's as a barbarian, with frequent use of my horse. I only ever give it a thought when I log on and off each day and scan through all of my bags to see what errands I need to do.

Maybe some of your least often used and least valuable items could get stashed in the bank?

I agree that it'd be nice to be able to get a different permanent bag from each different trophy. But I would not at all favor a change to make the summoned No Rent bags become Lore instead.

[GraemeFaelban]

I end up carrying a lot more stuff than that, as my bank is full of full 10 slot bags of mostly tradeskill stuff and quest stuff.

On me, I carry:

One 10 slot bag for resist gear, plus 2 slots in another bag.
One 10 slot with 7 collapsed tradeskill containers.

Four more 10 slots, and one 8 slot bag that have food, water, EB item, various stuff that won't fit in my bank at the moment. I usually have about 2 of those extra bags empty at any one time, and my sow boots in the 8th slot. When I need more storage, I summon the norent bag, and toss the boots in one of the permanent bags.

[Dragoron]

The ONLY change I would like to see in the trophies is that each one summon a bag thats got different lore info from the others. Then you could turn in that one for a permanent version. That way you could get a permanent 10 slot bag for each trophy that you have. Someone in the 1750 club would be able to have 7 permanent 10 slot, 100% WR bags.

[kagonis]

Well. I have to admit that loosing the ability to summon multiple bags yourself (for those not as fortunate as me to have 7 permanent WR bags allready) is nice.

But, I would still like, as I think everyone here have agreed upon, that they should make it possible to get a permanent bag from each trophy, ie 7 to 9 permanent 100% WR bags (gnome rogues and int-casters get 2 additional skills, so in effect can get 9 bags).

[Cravin]

As with life its all about management I personaly likes the GM bags just the way they are. I have 6 100% weight redux bags 1 rallic pack and 1 openslot for what ever. Now when I go farming I allways make sure that I have lots of empty slots. and if I get full and need to make an extra bag I allways make sure that I decide whats important and whats expendable. Persoanly I WOULD NOT put those 10 ornate molds in a no rent container. I'm betting that in all those other bags you will find 10 items of lesser value than the 10 ornate molds. yes I realise this will take a little extra work on your part. but it will give you something to do while you get setup for UberMOB 101 of the day.

[Gaad Daang]

There is already a right click effect on bags......open.