Combines for Guildies?

[Lilosh]

You folks are way too nice to your guildmates. People should earn what they get. There's very little difference between 'twinking' and 'free combines' and 'powerleveling'.

And none of us expects free tradeskill combines any more than we'd beg free platinum or free gear or free powerleveling from eachother.

While I agree 110% that my time is valuable, and that my guildmates need to realize that, there's one thing.

When the level 60 Warrior, our main tank who lets the monsters beat him senseless on our raids, comes to me and says "Noishpa, I need some UBAH Banded armor PLZ", and brings me all of the items, it is in my best interest to make him armor. Helping guildmates get outfitted benefits you as well as them.

Disclaimer: The MINUTE I find someone in my guild selling something that I combined free for them, or something that I helped them get for themselves, I will ask my guild leader to have them removed, or I will stop providing combines for my guildmates.

With small items, I can understand, and will just grudgingly grumble, and not combine for them again.

You all know Arakni Spellweaver, who is also in my guild. She hangs out here, And I like her and her husband very very much. They are wonderful people. Arakni does JC and Research combines for me, and I do whatever combines she needs for her. Baking mostly. I made a few Hobgoblin suprises for her the other day. (Two, I think). She literally brought me everything, and I have no problems helping her. The only reason for that is that I *KNOW*, without a doubt, that one of them will be receiving a Beginners Magic Manual. I won't see Arakni selling that Item for PHAT LEWTZ in the bazaar next tuesday.

-Lilosh

[Anduran the Artisan]

Everyone here is talking about having people guildremoved for shady practices (ala, selling free combines), heh. I guess my saryrn is just messed up in the fact that this happens a lot, at least from every tradeskiller on saryrn i've ever talked to. People dont get guild removed over it, god no, people LAUGH at the tradeskiller when they find out. We are the dog that everyone wants to kick when he's on the ground.

As for people getting combines, well, check what item you want, check the recipe, bring all the items (usually i even make them bring a smithy hammer, corking device, tanaan embroidery needle, coldain tanners kit**, file, pot, pit tin, cake round, jewelers kit, planar jewelers kit, smoker, *add continueing non consumed items here*. Reason that I make people bring these non consumables? If i kept every one for all 7 tradeskills my bank would have no room for other stuff, i'd have to start deleting my items for it. There are a LOT of these items, a *LOT* i've barely scratched the surface in terms of what there is.).

People who have...

-Looked up recipe *and*
-Bought all the items needed

usually end up getting a combine off me pretty cheap, the reason I charge "so much" (roughly 5-10 % of market cost of goods) is from the 3 hours talking to the people spoon feeding them the recipe and then running around getting the final items when they STILL have bought incorrect items to me.

The worst thing is when someone keeps badgering for recipes / stats / drop info etc after being told to visit eqtraders 100 times =( oh the pain....


Rant over !

-Anduran

edit: go go typos !

[Xefin]

I guess it's different for me since I'm the leader of my guild, and a bit of a dictator at that - also because I play on Sullon. But I'd never even think of charging a guildie for a combine. It's a war, and doubly difficult on the good team, so as a guild we're in it together.

I'm happy to say we do a pretty good job of looking out for each other tradeskill wise. I'm the primary skiller in the guild, and my skillup cost has been minimized thanks to the hard work of the people in it. I'm at 200+ in all skills (except 190 tailor and counting). I've never paid to have a gem imbued. I don't have to buy my KEI. I have all the magic clay, mana vials, acrylia, enchanted metals, forages, etc. that I need. Similarly the other people with skills (our human smith, our WE fletcher, our enchanter for JC) have gotten various help as well.

It would be a slap in the face to turn around and charge people for the use of my skills, because I don't see them as solely mine. It's true that not everyone contributes equally, and it's not entirely fair, but I feel like I have good people, and 90% of them are doing what they can. For some that's a couple blocks of acrylia, for some it's a pile of cash that buys swatches, for some it's a rare forage, for some it's making celestial essence so I don't have to, whatever.

As for selling things outside the guild, I'd be irate if I made an item specifically for somebody and they turned around and sold it. Most of the commonplace items I make (PotC stuff say), I make a bunch, sell some on the open market, and that pays for free ones for guildies.

So that's the environment I come from. If I played on a_blue_server_42, leveled to 6x and joined some big zerg of people I've never seen, sure, I'd charge for combines. I look at my guild as a nice oasis from what EQ has for the most part become, and I enjoy what I've got.

[Candiil]

Much appreciated

My guild's smither has ever been happier than the day I dropped 2 stacks of velium sheets in his trade window.

He was like, "You combined them ALREADY?"

I'm guessing that he usually gets a few velium blocks at a time.

[PinyonTreedotter]

Does your guild give you tradeskill items while hunting?

I got a lot of stuff from my friends and guildies. Velium, Furs, Tinkering items, etc.

So, I give my friends and guildies a lot of stuff -- gauze presses, necrotic devices, minimizing devices, imbued royal velium, haversacks, velium blue diamond bracers. In the end, I don't feel used and am very grateful for the skill-checks and the chance to make the guild stronger. I really have no idea if the value of the items I get is equal to the value of the items I give out. I make a decent living off my trader in the bazaar.

On the other hand, I'll never be "Ubah." Thank goodness.

[xaanru]

If my guildmates bring me stuff, I combine it free. If I sell them something I made, I sell it at my cost (I calculate cost on my items based on batches, if I went 4/8 on tae ew shields, the cost will be higher than the day I went 5/6).

All I ask is that if I sell them something at cost, they give me first shot to buyback at that price, before they sell it themselves.

I really don't mind if my guildmates make a little cash off my skill, because I NEED them to be as well equipped as possible. My main is a cleric, and I want the warrior I am CHing, to have as many HP, and as much AC as possible, plus some uber weapons to hold aggro when my heals hit.

A guild warrior recently sold a tae ew LS for more than twice what I sold it to him for. Was I upset? NO. He now has a fleshgrinder instead, and as such, makes a better tank for our raids.

Another guildmate hunts luclin a lot, and gets lots of acrylia and windstones as drops. When she brings me all the ingredients for acrylia armor, I combine it for free. She sells most of it in the bazaar. Its been a long time since I sold Acrylia plate for profit. She's not hurting MY sales, and is better equipped, with my help, at no out of pocket cost to me. Of course, she does lots of favors for me as well. Since my tradeskill and bazaar characters are both on one account, I need LOTS of transfers, and she helps out.

Bottom line is, if it helps the guild get stronger, I'm all for it.

[Tinile]

If my guildies or friends bring me the supplies, I will hit the combine button for free. I've been known to hit combine for low level stuff for free to newbies as well. For higher level things/players, I ask for a donation for my services.

[Macbrea]

I am in a very tradeskill friendly guild. As you can tell from Chase, who is also in my guild. Basicly, if you want to learn a tradeskill someone in the guild is willing to assist. If you need a combine and can bring the stuff for a combine we are very willing to try it. We warn people that nothing is guarenteed and there is always a chance for a failure. Everyone, pretty much excepts this. This may also be a result of us having about 40 active members only. With most members between 40 and 60.

[eyesis69]

Re: tradeskills for guildys

:::SNIP:::
I know whatever is used for the glittering ring of judgement should be a hefty charge since jackasses on my server price that at 60k.....
-D

:::SNIP::::


This VERY prevalent attitude is precisely why a new way to imbue diamonds should be implemented. It shouldn't matter what the final item is going to be....enchanters have access to every single diamond imbue (like they could ever imbue a gem before) yet NONE of them will imbue any diamonds. For a while, if the enchanter (or alternate class) 'claimed' not to have the spell, I would offer to make them a copy of the spell plus give whatever pp they wanted. Its been close to 2 months since I was even able to bribe (paying 1k per imbue) someone to imbue 5 diamonds. I now have 1 10 slot backpack full of the bloods and a couple of alkaline etched stones with a matching 10 slot backpack full of raw diamonds.

ACK....sorry, that had absolutely nothing to do with tradeskills for guildies.... :roll:


::utting myself in the corner:::

[Frabbens]

Free combines for guildmates, free combines for friends, assuming they bring everything. In certain cases I'll supply some small but annoying component from my own stock if getting it themselves isn't realistic, but I don't make a habit of this. I don't do combines at any price for anyone else; I'll feel take advantage of if I succeed and guilty if I fail, so no, thanks.

You folks are way too nice to your guildmates. People should earn what they get. There's very little difference between 'twinking' and 'free combines' and 'powerleveling'.

I dunno if I agree with this; depends on the guild, I guess. I'm an officer in a small, friendly guild, and many folks do tradeskills with verying degrees of seriousness. We're also accustomed to helping each other; I brought my guildleader the parts for eight innovative bow cams, and my wee ranger got a bow he'll be able to use a year from now.

I don't think there's a correlation between doing combines and powerleveling or whathaveyou. I'm personally against powerleveling, so I don't do it, but if I come across something that a guildmate can put to use I'm usually happy to pass it along, and my guildmates are generally willing to reciprocate. On the other hand, sending a guildie out to find a superb rockhopper pelt and twelve small pieces of acrylia gives them an idea of how hard tradeskills really are, and definitely constitutes a higher level of involvement than standing there drooling with a damage shield on.

[PinyonTreedotter]

I have *never* seen anyone in Bazaar, Nexus, or PoK asking for someone to have diamonds imbued.

I know that my enchanter would jump at the chance, if it included the spells. I try to be tradeskill friendly, and often made mana vials for people -- even when it meant more competition for my trader.

All imbues can be done by other classes, and they may be more willing to make the cash from it than an enchanter, particularly if you include a KEI with the deal. 1000 mana is about a fourth of my enchanter's mana pool, so it is not a trivial request when you want multiple gems imbued.

Another possibility is to ask the enchanter you are grouping with (you do group with enchanters sometimes?) to spend a little time after the group to imbue one or two gems.

[Verdandi]

All imbues can be done by other classes, and they may be more willing to make the cash from it than an enchanter...

Only priests (clerics, druids, shamans) can do the non-PoP imbues. The exception to this is fire opals for Solusek Ro, which can only be done by wizards because only wizards can worship Sol Ro. Priests also can only cast the Imbue spell for the deity that they actually worship. (The exception to this being people who scribed more than one imbue spell before the patch that fixed the diety check up on scribing.)

PoP imbues are a whole 'nother ball of wax, available to priests and int casters alike, but are also generally needed much less often and in much smaller quantities.

[shinreineko]

I'll do any combine free of charge (or at cost) for any guildie who asks, and if i'm feeling nice i'll even do combines for total strangers who are /ooc that they are looking for a tradeskiller.

[PinyonTreedotter]

Not that it really matters, but Veeshan is also an exception.

[Levitic]

Guild combines

The policy that I use for my guild is as follows:
Bring me all ingrediants, I'll hit combine free of charge.
Want something made but need me to get ingrediants, cost of ingrediants,
Want something that trivials higher than my skill, waiting list and free of charge.

That is the way that I have told my guildmates that I will do any tradeskill item.