when are you considered a GM ?

[Alkee]

When I was about 220 in tailoring and people were looking for a GM tailor I would send them a tell and advise them I am at skill 220 with a 5% geerlok, would they be interested? Then I leave it up to them weather they want to risk a 250+ combine or wait for someone higher.
Of course, now that I'm 250 plus trophy its never a problem now

On another note, it would be good if the other person can see what our skill level is when we are grouped so they know that we are not lying about our skill. At the moment they just have to take our word for it. I know the majority of us are honest as we take pride in our skills but it doesn't stop the odd person from deceiving people.

Cheers

[cattywumpus]

Personally I would like to see tradeskill titles for 250 skill GMs similar to AA titles and let us decide which title of the many we earn to display.

I like the sound of Brewmaster Cattywumpus 8)

[Tinile]

On another note, it would be good if the other person can see what our skill level is when we are grouped so they know that we are not lying about our skill. At the moment they just have to take our word for it. I know the majority of us are honest as we take pride in our skills but it doesn't stop the odd person from deceiving people.

While there are many dishonest people that play EQ, this kinda seems pointless as they don't gain anything by failing a recipe. I could see taking the items as a scam, but most people group to witness the combine and can see when the combine is done. If I was going to scam people out of money, I sure wouldn't lie about trade skills to receive a possible small donation when I fail their combines.

[Taraddar]

On another note, it would be good if the other person can see what our skill level is when we are grouped so they know that we are not lying about our skill. At the moment they just have to take our word for it. I know the majority of us are honest as we take pride in our skills but it doesn't stop the odd person from deceiving people.

While there are many dishonest people that play EQ, this kinda seems pointless as they don't gain anything by failing a recipe. I could see taking the items as a scam, but most people group to witness the combine and can see when the combine is done. If I was going to scam people out of money, I sure wouldn't lie about trade skills to receive a possible small donation when I fail their combines.

I wouldn't say thats entirely true. They get combines and potential skill ups and possibly even PP depending on how they aggreed to pay for the combines. For those that are working on it the aid gremil quest seems to be a good way of proving it to anyone who doubts you but personally I just usually don't bother with those people altho I'll probably make an exception for tayloring while i'm still working it up.

[Sanna]

At least some people are aware enough to ASK for numbers.

GfayChick tells the zone, "need high level brewer to help with tailoring, pst"
/tell GfayChick My brewing is 123, what do you need?
GfayChick tells you, "this book sez i need hedy koilas for my tailoring i asked around they sez it's a brewing thing, is 123 enough for that?"


PokGuy tells the zone, "Need High Brewer, PST"
/tell PokGuy How high is high? ^_^ my skill is 127.
PokGuy tells you, "Pon combine, need at least 230+."
/tell PokGuy ah, sorry to bother you. ~_~
PokGuy tells you, "np, just that 120s isn't really 'high' i suppose."


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make up minds, please?

/closerant
/apologize all

My BF's hyper-awareness of precision (and lack thereof, when applicable) is beginning to rub off on me. Since people cannot agree (gm = 200+? gm = 250 only? gm = 250 apparent, ie, 248+gearlok, etc?) and there is no set standard measure, I've never applied any term to myself. I am Baking 195. I am Brewing 127. I am also an Oboe and a Flag, which is probably where I get this from. =P

Titles are titles and are subject to change. Skill is numbers and, short of a horrible devistating bug, can only go up.

[Delfontes]

As a brewer I must say, 95% of the time someone is looking for a high level brewer... they are looking for a high level brewer.

137, sadly, is but an hour combining grubs, then maybe some skull ale...

I might have started answering those at 200 to see what they needed made, but even still at least 75% of them are looking for PoP skill restricted combines, because even lazy people with lots of money know that they can get their brewing to 150 in a couple hours and almost literally no money spent.

Interestingly enough in the 3 months or so I've been a GM brewer, I have yet to see an OOC looking for one, though many guildies have required my services.

[Sanna]

ok, for brewing i can see how 120s-170s isn't 'high'. But the point is, just the word 'high' is non-specific-enough. The people HAVE specific numbers in mind (46, 200+), but they don't say that, they just say 'high'. Leaving me going grrrrrrr.

hence, my thing is: Screw titles, screw adjectives. If you ask for numbers, smarter of you. If people on your server ask for number or number ranges, all the better for all involved.

Personally, unless some honest-to-pete standard come out, I won't ever say 'I'm a GM Baker'. I (will) have a Baking skill of 250. I (will) have a Brewing skill of 200/250. Numbers = precice = happier people = less stress. Titles = unstandardized = imprecice = unhappier people = more stress (and since stress = bad) = I won't use them, and if it were my place, I would encourage others not to, too.

[kiztent]

I've never listed a title by any of my tradeskills. If someone is looking for a combine, I'll either make it, or I won't. Doesn't matter what they are asking for, titlewise.

[Quinner Sparrowhawk]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

/em runs screaming from the computer.

Hasn't this horse been kicked, mauled, mutilated, beaten, thrashed, trashed, chewed, shot, stabbed, and rehased enough?

[Quesci]

Personally, unless some honest-to-pete standard come out, I won't ever say 'I'm a GM Baker'. I (will) have a Baking skill of 250. I (will) have a Brewing skill of 200/250. Numbers = precice = happier people = less stress. Titles = unstandardized = imprecice = unhappier people = more stress (and since stress = bad) = I won't use them, and if it were my place, I would encourage others not to, too.

Not to get confrontational, Sanna, but what about people who prefer to roleplay? How would a real life baker know his or her "skill level"? I agree that numbers are very useful. But some people try to retain the feel of the game

I am a Grandmaster Baker. Here is my trophy, see? I am 70% successful making Hero Sandwiches. Would you like me to make you some?

I am a Grandmaster Potter. Here is my trophy, see? I am 50% successful on Star Ruby Encrusted Steins. I have made 10 Ceramic Shields of Valor out of 12 attempts. Would you like me to make you one?

I am a very good tailor. I don't have a trophy. I succeed on one in 10 attempts at Solstice Robes, even with a Geerlok equipped. I suggest that you take that stack of swatches to another tailor unless you feel lucky.

Note: I am not one of those people for the most part. I like numbers, and always prefer when someone says "I am looking for a fletcher with skill 230 or higher." I just know that there are some who don't play this way.
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[Myriad4Life]

Excuse my interruption but I felt as if I should present my 2 coppers, 1 silver and a platinum to this discussion....

In this soul's opinion, a GM would be a tradesman who has reached the epitome of his craft and may say that he has crafted his trophy. In an example that I came up with......ulls out thick bound book titles "Examples":

A GM Baker would be a tradesman who has seen 250 skill points and who was able to create their spoon to show that they are an elite baker now.

I would agree that when searching for a tradesman of a certain expertise, numbers should be considered. A bow makes not an archer and a geerlok makes not a true tradesman. I would much rather have the number I speak be of a pure sense than have it be higher with a tool.

I am done.

::fades back into his shop::

[Hibashira]

I vote for GM = 250 only. Anything below 240 is way too low. 240 + mod feels like a cheat. Sure you have the same success rate (?) as a 250 but you are skipping that 10 points that shows your commitment to the craft.

[Serenya]

/shrug
When I started tradeskilling more then 3 years ago, 200 was the absolute max. Being a bit of a traditionalist I still consider anyone over 200 to be a Grandmaster. I recognize that that max has changed, and should I actually be doing a combine for someone (very rare) I will state my skill in relation to the trivial. I rarely answer OOCs for combines though.

[PinyonTreedotter]

Serenya, I also remember when you could be a GM in the tradeskills at whatever the maximum skill possible. There were people who were proud they were a GM in all the tradeskills (of course, the maximum skill at that time in tailoring was 115). When Kunark came out, they didn't want to say they were not GMs in all the tradeskills, so they used GM to mean 200.

Now that people with bucketloads of AA pts can get 250 in all the common tradeskills, I suppose 250 should be the cutoff point for GM-ness.

If someone wanted a GM <whatever> I might send them a /tell saying I have a 250 skill with geerlok (or whichever I might use).

I guess, it all depends on what floats your boat.

[saum]

I worked for the last 2 years to get to 240 in tailoring. i have a gear lock that puts me at the 252 point. Am i a GM tailor????? No im not. To me your only a GM tailor when you hit a unmodified 250 in a particular skill. I for one see this as a way to honor the ones that have shown the dedication to a craft to get it to 250