Superb silks in katta

[Andarriel]

Does anyone know why snakes drop superb silks so compared to ore? no matter where i go ore seems to be lot rarer drop =( Would also be nice if these new drops were stackable to 100 instead of a measly 20. Just my two cents.

Andarriel of the Tribunal

[Roanne]

To my understanding, silk drops twice as often on the humanoid table as any other drop because the template recipes require x2 silks per combine as opposed to x1 of the others.

Basically, any time a cultural drop occurs on the humanoid table, theres a 50% chance it will be a silk, 25% hide, 25% ore.

The final armor combine drops are a separate table.

Again, I dont have any insider information on the matter, nor extensive loot histories to prove it; just what been mentioned by Ngreth in a few places.

[Ursawraith]

We all know snakes are humanoids too, how else do you think they can kick

[Gorse]

We all know snakes are humanoids too, how else do you think they can kick

Except their ability to kick was patched out ages ago.



Gorse

[MareeTP]

I was recently punched by a snake. Last weekend in fact. On Monkey Island in the Buried Sea.

They are still at it.

Snakes >>> patches.

[Sigi]

Oh the snakes are definately dropping silks, and ore, and spinneret fluid, and EVEN ONCE - a soluble loam! I hunt to the northeast of the Thalasius portal, in the inner ring by the tents and have great luck getting drops.

The do punch me tho

hehe best of luck !

[Ngreth Thergn]

Oh the snakes are definately dropping silks, and ore, and spinneret fluid, and EVEN ONCE - a soluble loam! I hunt to the northeast of the Thalasius portal, in the inner ring by the tents and have great luck getting drops.

The do punch me tho

hehe best of luck !

don;t these snakes have arms? We are talking Shissar correct?

[Mitsune Foxfire]

Basically, any time a cultural drop occurs on the humanoid table, theres a 50% chance it will be a silk, 25% hide, 25% ore.

Interesting. 100 drops yield (on average) 50 tailoring combines (25 silk, 25 hide combines) but only 25 smithing combines. A mathematically fair split for both tailoring and smithing would be 40% silk, 20 % hide and 40% ore. Then 100 drops would give (on average) 40 tailoring combines (20 silk and 20 hide) and 40 smithing combines.

Mitsune Foxfire, Vazaelle

[Roanne]

Preaching to the choir there.

I would further argue loam should drop more than 50% for final armor combines as the overall player demand for plate and chain seems higher than for silk and leather as well (anyone who has watched guild bid DKP on GoD era armor drops could vouch for this).

Again, I have no hard evidence and its just an educated guess but I suspect a quick scan of bazaar prices for the components will support this theory as well.

[Aldier]

Interesting. 100 drops yield (on average) 50 tailoring combines (25 silk, 25 hide combines) but only 25 smithing combines. A mathematically fair split for both tailoring and smithing would be 40% silk, 20 % hide and 40% ore. Then 100 drops would give (on average) 40 tailoring combines (20 silk and 20 hide) and 40 smithing combines.

Mitsune Foxfire, Vazaelle

So the leather wearing classes should be handicapped compared to the rest of the EQ community?

[Deviator]

So the leather wearing classes should be handicapped compared to the rest of the EQ community?

i think it goes like this....
chain=smithing(1 ore needed)
plate=smithing(1 ore needed)
silk=tailoring(2 silk needed)
leather=tailoring(1 pelt needed)

since we want the drops to equal half of the tailoring combines, and half of the smithing combines we need the following...
40% ore to make 25% chain armor and 25% plate armor
20% pelts to make 25% leather armor
40% silk to make 25% silk armor

this wouldnt "handicap" anyone, it would actually even things out.

[KyrosKrane]

Another way to think of it, without percents.

Let's say I want to make one plate bracer, one chain bracer, one leather bracer, and one silk bracer. I want to farm all the dropped components myself.

This means I need to farm:

For silk:
two silks (template)
one spinneret fluid (armor)

for leather:
one animal pelt (template)
one marrow (armor)

for chain:
one ore (template)
one loam (armor)

for plate:
one ore (template)
one loam (armor)

So to make the four templates I need, I have to farm 2 silks, 1 pelt, and 2 ores. But based on the current drop chances, if I farm for X time (where the exact value of X doesn't really matter), I will get two silk, one pelt, and one ore.

To make the four armors I need, I have to farm one spinneret fluid, one marrow, and two loams. But again, based on current chances, in Y time, I will farm one spinneret fluid, one marrow, and one loam (again, Y doesn't matter).

Does that make it a bit clearer why the current balance doesn't work?

[Aldier]

There is a big factor you are not considering when you give those percentages though. That is the TYPE of mob you are killing. Some mob types are more common than others in certain level ranges. Fine Animal Pelts are near non-existant on my server because there are not a lot of animals in that level range flagged as animals. Golems have similar level ranges where they are difficult to find. Spiders seem to be fairly well distributed level wise and with the current 2:1:1 ratio, silk is plentiful enough off the humanoids to offset, in silks favor, any level range spiders might lack.

I am all in agreement that for the armor components it should be
2 loam : 1 marrow : 1 spinneret fluid
because there are more plate/chain classes than leather/silk and you have 2 armor types to needing the loam. I just do not think the leather templates should be reduced because there are not a lot of leather classes. Or that a long time ago when EQ first came out, the idea that silks had to be combined with themselves to make swatches before they would be good for anything on their own.

[KyrosKrane]

There is a big factor you are not considering when you give those percentages though. That is the TYPE of mob you are killing.

The percentages are very specifically related to the humanoid drop table, as that's the only one that can drop all types.

I don't know that Ngreth has ever discussed the specific chance for a non-humanoid type to drop a cultural TS item, but he has posted a list of the absolute count of mobs of each type and level, and he's acknowledged that the distribution by level isn't as even as it could be, particularly for golems. After SoF launches, he might have time to go back and review that.

[Ngreth Thergn]

for the TEMPLATES we will likely try and even out the humanoid table for "chances to combine" which will be the 2-1-2 people have suggested.

For cultural I am thinking it will be balanced for "need of armor" which will be a count of classes that need each, not necessarily classes in game that need it (because believe it or not that varies by server, guild, etc... it is so variable we have to go back to the more generic count of classes that use X)

I don't have those numbers here at home, and I won't be spending deep time on it until post SoF, but we will be looking to even it out.

It also looks like for the last tier... I am going to have to "break" the trend on what NPC's get leather and silk for the very last tier, because there just are not enough NPC's of the "appropriate" race.