Bazu/Last Blood issues

[kulvard]

for some background, my guild is in anguish, have not defeated OMM, very close to defeating OMM, and attempted Draygun a few times (bloodeye, shyra, 9 all down). and i have completed a Bazu aug myself and plan on completing at least a few more.

Bazu Stones come from raids that are about Anguish difficulty, slightly harder in some cases. The 4 main sepll damage focii are Anguish level Foci... that makes sense.

Last Bloods come from DPoBlood raids, where the normal gear drops in zone have 60 percent focii, normally with only 1-2 loot choices for these focii. but for some reason, the Last Bloods have 50 percent "Dragon" focii like Vish, 10 percent lower than what is on the gear in the zone. cultural armor is no easy task to make especially for Silk wearers, and making Bazu Seals or Last Bloods takes hours of tedium and a fair amount of plat on vendor items alone.

So why Vishimitar level foci off of DPoBlood mobs for the Last Bloods? granted, cultural gear with last blood is about 20 hp/mana more than the archetype gear in DPoBlood i believe, but 50 percent to 60 percent is a huge gap in the way of damage focii.

Second issue is the lack of spell range focii on these augs. there is a Druzzil's Range, which is 25 percent increase up to level 67 spells!!! how is that going to help a level 70 toon who is able to attain Bazu Seals and Last Bloods? there are appropriate OOW (Anuek/Ikaav) focii for spell duration, haste, and efficiency... so why not Aneuk Glare/Ikaav Glare?

[Ishwar]

My guess is the following:

Focus effects on DoD seals were off at the release of DoD. They were later adjusted, but for bazu seals, tey juts used existing focuses, and picked the ones that best suited the intention. Some of the used focus are a bit weak (like the level 67 ones you mention), some are a bit string, like the 4 main spell damage ones.

The seals are intendend to be below the dropped gear from the same encounters, in exchange you get to chose both the slot and the focus effect.

The Last blood seals are probably as effective as intended. The 4 main Bazu augs you want to use as baseline, are in fact overpowered, compared to what was intended.

I do not know if they will adjust the bazu seals onc more, but I believe that we might be better off if they dont, and just stick to making the focus items that are better than intended.

[skdog]

2 things:

first:

I'd agree, especially in the spell range focus effect. the top level bazu and last blood are Druzzil's range, generic all encompassing effect with 67level cap. that doesn't help high end raiders that can obtain these at all. they need to be change to Anuek / Ikaav glare to fix the problem.

second:
if u put an effect like mana preservation it shows up in the aug as
Focus Effect: Avar. of the Anuek

however if u put a combat effect it shows up in the aug as
Focus Effect: Cleave V

look at normal gear, combat effects are not shown this way, instead they are shown as

EFFECT: Cleave V

so, are the combat effects even working with last blood augs due to this incorrect labeling?

[Xislaben]

Bazu Stones come from raids that are about Anguish difficulty, slightly harder in some cases. The 4 main sepll damage focii are Anguish level Foci... that makes sense.

Matriarch Shyra drops a Bazu Stone every time, and we've killed her maybe 6 times now, and have just gotten our first MPG Trial beaten (trial of hate) and have not yet beaten the Zun in Txevu for Tacvi access. So, if Matriarch Shyra is Anguish difficulty, then that zone's going to be more or less of a pushover up to at least OMM and depending on the LD bugs being fixed by the time we get there.

The Council of Nine and Emperor Draygun are much harder than Shyra and you may have a good comparison between Anguish and those.

[Taraddar]

If you want to talk about a specific aug issue the benifical mana pres focus on bazu augs doesn't seem to be right. It's Preservation of Mithaniel, a time level focus that maxes at lvl 67 instead of a anguish level focus like all the other augments. The issue seems to be that there was no dragon level mana pres focuses. For deterimental mana pres they just made last blood and dragon the same focus. For benifical they made the bazu version lower level than it should be.

[bobgib]

EFFECT: Cleave V

so, are the combat effects even working with last blood augs due to this incorrect labeling?

I can confirm that the Bazu augs for melee are not working.

I spent a few hours last week beating on the Katta banker and the results are as follows.

With Bazu Seal of Cleaving (Cleave V) aug:

Crit rate as a % of hits = 2.19%
Crit rate as a % of swings = 2.95%

Without Cleave V aug (yes, this one is actually better)

Crit rate as a % of hits = 2.78%
Crit rate as a % of swings = 3.74%

These were only 2hr parses, but long enough to be able to see what is supposed to be a +200% (or a 3:1 ratio) chance to crit on the cleave V aug. Clearly these are not functional at this time.

[Fesser]

Can we vote again for a dummy mob in the arena to test weapons and parses on so it doesn't take so long to figure this stuff out?

[kulvard]

The Council of Nine and Emperor Draygun are much harder than Shyra and you may have a good comparison between Anguish and those.

Well the loots themselves from Shyra are definitely Anguish level, with anguish level foci (sandals from Shyra have Anuek Glare). they are in, in most cases, the third or fourth best item in the game for a given slot. reason a guild that is not in Anguish can do Shyra easily, mainly has to do with the fact that you can pull her single and her guards mean nothing. i'm sure they are actually supposed to be a part of the event, or they wouldn't be there and she wouldn't be leashed, but they have such a tiny aggro range. so anguish level Foci on the regular drops from the mob, and there are anguish level Foci on the bazu stones also. makes sense to me.

so why are Last Bloods only Vishimitar level, or in most cases, not upgraded one bit? sure, there should be a tradeoff, but the differences are just too huge. now i could go on for hours about how terribly done the rest of the itemization is in PoBlood (worse than Tacvi before the revamps), but this is not the place, and we have a new expansion coming out soon anyway so we can ignore all that!!

accross all of the DoDH augs, there are just major flaws that are easy to pick out.

http://www.gamesnet.org/KyrosKrane/T.../DoDH_Augs.htm

that chart makes it real easy to notice a lot of the major issues at hand. sure, i get to pick the gear slot, focus, etc on cultural gear+DoDH aug. but i think the hours and plat spent getting cultural gear made and getting an AAAA made for each aug is a pretty good enough tradeoff. even more relevent, cultural gear lacks a type 8 aug slot, so only augs that fit in type 7 can be used for the "normal" aug slot on cultural (the 11 and 12 are really just part of the gear itself). means no Anguish augs, no DoD raid augs... none of that stuff. so really the 20ish HP/mana i am gaining by choosing Bazu/Last Blood, i am losing on the regular aug slot alone. THAT is where i see the tradeoff, now gimme mah fookin focii hahaha

[Kaaba]

There's plenty of good type 7 and 8 augs in DODH and DON, for instance this is what I'm planning to put on my bazu auged helm: Disc of the Dragon Kind. If you can do Anguish and up you can definitely do the event this drops from, and I've seen all kinds of near-Anguish level augs from DODH events that are type 7 and 8.

[Ngreth Thergn]

however if u put a combat effect it shows up in the aug as
Focus Effect: Cleave V

look at normal gear, combat effects are not shown this way, instead they are shown as

EFFECT: Cleave V

so, are the combat effects even working with last blood augs due to this incorrect labeling?

This is fixed, but awaiting a patch.

I have No comment on the spell focus effects.

[KyrosKrane]

In reference to my chart, I want to emphasize again that the data in it is gathered from Lucy, and in turn, much of that data was gathered during testing in Beta. The developers have already said that a lot of the effects have been upgraded or changed since then. So please, take that chart with a grain of salt.

[Kaaba]

If you do Matriarch Shyra the way she is intended it is significantly harder. She is designed to be killed with her guards and the guards repop every 5 minutes or so. So, do it that way if you want to bitch about it being too easy, we did it that way the first time and it's no cake walk.

[Phantron]

Consider you can pull Shyra out of her room and then you'd never have to worry about the repopping guards (and indeed don't even have to worry about them the first time with some normal pulling tricks), it's hard to believe that you're supposed to deal with the guards.

I'm guessing the guards are supposed to share aggro with Shyra, but since they currently do not, there's no particular reason to believe that fighting the guards is the right way to do this.

[Ishwar]

Can anyone actually confirm that the bazu seals have a low quality focus, or are we basing this only on potitentially inccorect information?

I makes sence that the seal which are though to have weak focuses have not actually been made, and that they have been updatede and since none have been made, no one knows the new effect?

[Taraddar]

The bazu seal for beneficial mana pres shows
Updated 2005-11-29 18:18:18 Verified 2006-01-08 21:09:12

for lucy. Should indicate it has been made on a live server and still has the same stats.